New magnaflow exhaust

[bobaganoosh]

Well my jardine carbon fiber started to crack where the rear mount wraps around it so i decided to make my own. looked around on here and decided the magnaflow 11148 muffler would work the best. got it off ebay for 80 bucks shipped. Its a single 2 1/4 inlet and dual 2 in outlets. looks just like the jardine on the inside straight through just it splits to 2.

This is a pic before. The stock mounting bracket almost fits around it perfect. i grinded the sides of the bracket down some so now it fits in almost flush.
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030002_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121025936_L.jpg
After that all i did was cut 2 inches off the inlet pipe and welded the jardine down pipe to it.

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121025901_L.jpg
Then i cut the 2 outlet pipes off at an angle. thought about getting some crome tips from autozone but i havent yet. Here is it all mounted up.
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030158_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030117_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030037_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030352_L.jpg
Let me know what u think. total this cost me about 85 bucks. all i had to buy was the muffler and 2 big hose clamps because i didnt have the stock ones. sound wise it sounds sweet. about as loud as the jardine but not quite as high pitch. power wise didnt notice any difference. the only thing is that its kind of heavy. i didnt weigh it but its got to be atleast 7-8 pounds which is still lighter than stock but alot heavier than my jardine which i think is maybe 1 pound.

Also if anyone wants my jardine make me an offer. i dont know if its worth anything. You could probley use it if you made the rear mounting strap wide so it would cover up the hole. The jardine springs and strap come with it but no down tube since i used it. heres pics
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030323_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030256_L.jpg
Also has a small dent on the front bottow from bottoming out.
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20101121030228_L.jpg

[Baal]

Ah! A "ghetto GB tire warmer!" Seriously though, good on ya for the effort!

[xtremelow]

How is the sound, like a Jardine?

Also did you have the Jardine chin fairings brackets? If so I would be interested in buying them.

[bobaganoosh]

nope i never had the chin fairing on mine bought it with out it i kind of like it with no chin fairing. the sound is like a jardine but a little deeper. i thinks its a little quiter idleing but maybe a little louder wide open. i beleive this is the same mufler as the GB exhaust so u can just listen to his sound clip on you tube

[bobaganoosh]

O yea Baal isn't the gb exhaust a ghetto exhaust anyways since its using a car muffler? I did the same thing he did just didnt polish it and saved my self 350 bucks

[RT Performance]

I restricted my flow master.
Lowers the volume and brings the low end back alive.
2" washers with a 1" center work really well.
Just tacked in with a welder.
Nice work i was planning to do the same.

[stellio78]

I like it, nice work [up]

How does it run off the standard mapping, if thats what you have?

[levi]

Sure would love to hear the new muffler running on your bike Bobaganoosh.

Shore wood.

[bobaganoosh]

if u want to here it look on youtube for the gb exhaust it sounds just like that.

RT performance. how does yours sound now with the washers in it?

As far as fuel map i have a custom tune with ecm spy for my jardine. I cant really tell adifference with this pipe over the jardine, almost no backfiring and just a slight hiccup off idle. same as before. I have heard of other guys running these with the stock fuel map and they runs fine

[Baal]

RTPerformance: How much did you lose on the top end? I have the GB, and haven't noticed any loss off the bottom at all. The folks who have done inserts in other exhausts have reported a pretty major power loss.

[theoctopus]

I'm with you Baal. Performance gain across the whole range with my GB. But then again I tuned my bike to it.

[Baal]

Yeah, I'm running it with the stock map and a K&N. Seems to have adapted just fine. I have a little stumble at the bottom that I think will be cured with a TPS reset. I just need to get ECMspy downloaded.

[bobaganoosh]

yea i definitly didnt loose any on the bottom either

[bobaganoosh]

mine is a 984 by the way too

[badxb]

nice work, neat, tidy and cheap. Good stuff

[stellio78]

I wanna make one now, love the dual outlets.

Can you buy just the downpipe new from Jardine?

[badxb]

Wouldnt be too hard to get a muffler shop to make on up.

[bobaganoosh]

yea that would work but if u want the one from jardine u can buy it seperate because when i bought my jardine off ebay it didnt come with it. I forgot how much it was but i think it was atleast 50 bucks. All i remember is it seemed like too much although it does fit perfect and works perfect for this muffler. still way cheaper than any exhaust you could buy and it performs and sounds better than any exhaust out there imo

[dallasb]

The jardine elbow was 95 dollars last time i checked...

[Baal]

Like I said, I admire the work, but I'd want to fab up some side outlets; I wouldn't be too keen on having the heat dump directly on the rear tire. Also, I'd slot the elbow and use a big clamp on the front of the muffler. It leaves you with some adjustability if you need it for clearance.

[bobaganoosh]

yea i could of clamped it but its a much cleaner look just welded especially with no chin fairing. as far as heat on the rear tire thats a good thing isnt it? a hot tire is a sticky tire haha. i may eventually put some angled peices on there for looks. O yea and 95 bucks from jardine isnt worth it. i would just go to a muffler shop if i didnt have the jardine already

[BuellerPilot]

It's not really a matter of heat that I foresee being a potentual problem with the exhaust exiting straight into the rear tire. It's exhaust soot, which by the way carbon makes for a nice dry lubricant. Also, if you were ever to encounter an engine problem were it might blow oil out, guess where it's aimed at? Other then that, I've been wanting to do this (with angled tips) before I even saw the GB thread and now this one. Great job!

~Mike......

[bobaganoosh]

Thats true[up]. I palnned on doing the angles tips originaly but then i decided it was much easier to just leave them how they were. im sure i will do this eventually

[RT Performance]

here is the vidoe of mine mic crackeld

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEL59ED2u6c

why don't embedded codes work any more??

Didn't ride it much before i put the restictors in it but made it go from open header sound to great.

wide open exhaust is great for hp but kill low end torque. Mines a 9 so it was more than a little and noticecable.
I am still letting out 1" per side and the inlet pipe was 2" just forces the muffler to work more

[guzabri]

I was seriously considering dishing out the $400 and some for a GB exhaust this winter, but maybe ill run this route and buy the elbow from jardine, and buy the magnaflow muffler. I could definitely do it for less then $200 even with buying tips. [up]

[HawaiiXB]

Another thing to think about is if the motor eats it and barfs any oil, that is going to go right into your rear tire- highly recommend the angled tips!

[bobaganoosh]

i aint scerred

[dallasb]

seems to work fine for me [confused]

nEL59ED2u6c

[BeDaring08]

i did the same thing but made a elbow out of a j pipe that i bought at a hotrod shoe and love it. I made some brackets to hold my chin fairing on to. I need to get some tips welded on but i have had zero issue with the exhaust blowing on the tire.

[bobaganoosh]

ive only had mine a few days but no issues yet ill let u guys know how it turns out

[gbalias]

O yea Baal isn't the gb exhaust a ghetto exhaust anyways since its using a car muffler? I did the same thing he did just didnt polish it and saved my self 350 bucks


im not even sure whether i should take offense to that.


I can assure you any 'replica' GB pipe will be no where near the build quality of mine. I take pride in the things i do, and most would claim you get what you pay for...theres a lot more that goes into my builds than polishing it...which i dont even really do. lol!


I believe i have enough happy customers that will attest to the value of my pipe. compare it to any other stainless system and then youll have a good benchmark.

[Baal]

I believe i have enough happy customers that will attest to the value of my pipe.

Including me!

[bobaganoosh]

yea it is a great pipe and its probley worth the money but i just didnt have the money to spend. i love the look of the pipe thats why i built one

[deh2k2]

Amazon has the muffler for $69.52 with free shipping..

http://www.amazon.com/MagnaFlow-11148-Stainless-Steel-Muffler/dp/B000XQQ06Y

[dkaar]

That is a great deal...cheapest on Ebay is $77

[dkaar]

im not even sure whether i should take offense to that.


I can assure you any 'replica' GB pipe will be no where near the build quality of mine. I take pride in the things i do, and most would claim you get what you pay for...theres a lot more that goes into my builds than polishing it...which i dont even really do. lol!


I believe i have enough happy customers that will attest to the value of my pipe. compare it to any other stainless system and then youll have a good benchmark.

I would agree with you. I keep thinking about building one on my own, but do realize the value in what you offer. It is a great looking piece and the quality is top notch. That said, the feel of building your own and saving some cash appeals to a lot of us. Personally, I still haven't decided which route to go. Money is always a factor, but so is quality and looks...and the GB has both of those.

[gbalias]

dont get me wrong.....im all for people doing things on their own, heck...thats why i did the pipe to begin with. haha

my worry is that someone will associate the 'homemade' GB pipes with my real version. i dont want homemade versions to be associated with what I would build someone. if that makes any sense. lol

[xtremelow]

my worry is that someone will associate the 'homemade' GB pipes with my real version

As long as you can make the difference worth the price you will have no problem [up]

[bobaganoosh]

So whats the big difference between the real GB and my homemade one? other than the angled tips and the clamped jardine downtube and mine welded. o yea and yours is nice and shiny too. doesnt fit the look of my bike though

[xtremelow]

whats the big difference between the real GB and my homemade one?

I would assume there really isn't a functional difference, but.....

You need to remember not everyone has a smashed up Jardine sitting around for the down pipe, a welder, or even the ability to make one. So that is where the need or want comes along with the price. Figure labor for sure, plus the time to order, ship, and package it all.

Just my view. GB can tell us for sure if is muffler is any different or not as far as the model/housing.

[bobaganoosh]

the gb exhaust is is an awesome pipe i was just showing everyone how i made mine and how anyone with a small amount of fabrication skills could make one and save a bunch of money. as far as the price i think the 400 plus is a little much but so is every other exhaust out there. everybody's got to make a living. i just am the kind of guy who fixes everything i ownand dont pay somebody else to do it. as far as quality i know my homemade exhaust is as good of quality as anything u can buy. hell i really didnt fabricate much all i did was cut 2 inches off the end weld it up and clamped it on. i dont really see what could go wrong

[xtremelow]

I am with you I am the same way I hate giving my money away for more than what I make an hour. So figure I can always save by doing it myself, plus you can have some fun at the same time.

[gbalias]

the silencers are all the same. you can use anything that fits in there if you even wanted to.


i guess in terms of value, you could compare this head to head with a drummer SS perhaps??.....quite the price difference for not much of a perfmormance/looks difference.

but people fail to consider what it actually takes to make it to what "I" would consider my own 'standard'

I can assure you its a GREAT value. im not making a living on these..... its a hobby for me to make em when someone wants one and even that is a rare occasion. however, factor in what it takes to have a TIG and a MIG machine set up and run for properly welding stainless. argon, tungstens, filler, stainless feed wire, chemical for backing, tooling to create good joints (weld joints, that is).....i urge anyone to call up a GOOD welder, ask em theyre rate to do a TIG job for ya.... youll be paying 7-10 bucks per INCH of bead. then add in some raw material, sawing, sanding, fitting, etc......

so i guess the bottom line is, if you want to replicate what i do exactly, itll cost you WAY more than what it would for me to do it. pretty simple. ive already done all the hard work in building jigs, measuring, CAD, templates, etc.

if i had to do all that over again for every pipe, itd cost more than a drummer. lol.


so save your money xtreme..... xmas is around the corner.[up]

[bobaganoosh]

so u need jigs and cad to weld 2 tips on?

Im not trying to argue that your pipes not worth the money. I was just showing people what i did and how somebody could build there own pipe and save some money, but then i get people saying that since i built it at home and it only cost me 80 bucks its not as good of quality as something you spend 400 bucks on. well it is, the muffler i bought is pretty much bolt on with a jardine downpipe (if you clamp it instead of weld it like i did)

[theoctopus]

I think the quality differences are pretty obvious. $400 worth? That's not my judgment to make. In another 5000 miles it might be a conversation worth having. Until then, the jury is out.

Good on you for building something you like. At the end of the day, that's all that matters.

[gbalias]

as a matter of fact, yes.

in order to replicate them to a certain tolerance...ABSOLUTELY. and i build the bends from scratch....its a compound bend with 3 different angles and 2 sizes of pipe.

the bend is where the real work is. im not doggin ya bob...not at all. i think i tried to point out that if it were done the exact same way i build em, then it would cost more than what i sell em for. you got a good break because you already had a jardine on there. so i guess if someone was to do it like you did (if the bike didnt come with a jardine) then the price is more considering the entry cost of the jardine, THEN the material to make your own. i think that makes sense....lol


imagine...... you can buy a whole jardine kit for $330. if you try and buy it separate, the bend is like $100, and the brackets...HA, they want i think $140 for them. put in some clamps, hardware, etc....and youve got a relatively inexpensive silencer.

;)

[bobaganoosh]

magnaflow muffler $80
jardine down pipe $95
2 large hose clamps $5
a few minutes of grinding free
total of what i got in mine $180

had a guy on base weld mine for free

sorry i didn't realize you had a cult following with this pipe....haha. people get kind of serious on here

[theoctopus]

It's not a cult following. Your list demonstrates the quality difference between the two pipes just fine.

Trust that George is totally down with you doing your own thing. He's a good guy like that. I think he's just taking issue with you equating your work with his, since the differences are obvious. It'd be like people equating Drummer/Voodoo/Spec OPS with Hawk. There's nothing wrong with a Hawk, and it works just fine, it's just not the same at all.

[bobaganoosh]

ill let you guys know in 5000 miles how it turns out, but i dont forsee anything breaking on mine.

[Baal]

Gawd no. That's the great thing about starting with a Magnaflow!

[theoctopus]

It's not the magnaflow I worry about. Given how the elbow was welded, I'm a little more concerned about the headers.

[bobaganoosh]

yea the muffler is solid... and i have heard of headers cracking. i first thought to attach it the way the jardine is with the muffler just slid over and springs holding it so u got a little flex but decided i didnt want to fuss with it. the way the gb is clamped i dont really see how that could let it flex either though. time will tell i guess.

[theoctopus]

You're a good man for not getting worked up bobaganoosh. I know a lot of us on this board (myself included) can be a little aggressive sometimes.

[up] from me.

[bobaganoosh]

haha i try

[gbalias]

yea...octopus is by far the worst member here.




:D

[xtremelow]

GB I won't need to be saving my cash as I have a new CF Jardine that will be taking place of my old Race Pipe. Less weight, more ground clearance, deeper tone, better performance per the ASB shoot out(as I have a 9), and it only cost me $150 (to include all the brackets and shipping to my door)!

My cash will be going to powder coating and a few other custom/aftermarket items[up]

[bobaganoosh]

i loved my jardine cant go wrong with that, the only thing is my carbon fiber only lasted about 5000 miles before it cracked like u see above. i did buy it used though so im not sure how many it had before. the jardine does sound good but this magnaflow muffler sounds even better. its a little deeper than the jardine. power wise i think about the same as the jardine, atleast i couldnt tell any difference with mine and i also have a 984

[gbalias]

nice.

pics of said custom/AM items? do tell.

[d_adams]

GB isn't kidding about building stuff and getting it right every time. I do the same thing, this is just my take on how I want to do it.
Having a jig set up for this type of work is essential. It's time consuming to build them and get repeatable results.
Try eyeballing something like this and see how much time and materials you end up wasting. This is my first shot at it, I missed my target outlet point by 1/8" or so. Don't sound like much, does it? It is. Side load stress will break the headers or the header bolts eventually.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/dadams1969/exhaust%20stuff/xb/magnaflow/IMG_3527.jpg

[stellio78]

bobaganoosh just wanted to ask if the Jardine elbow fits nicely into the inlet of the muffler so I could use a clamp to hold it or does it need to be welded?

[d_adams]

Btw, what GB does and what I do are similar, but still not the same. He's got his way of doing it, I have mine. This will be the last one I probably do using a magnaflow muffler though.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/dadams1969/exhaust%20stuff/xb/magnaflow/Mag2/IMAG0084.jpg



http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/dadams1969/exhaust%20stuff/xb/magnaflow/Mag2/IMAG0082.jpg


http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/dadams1969/exhaust%20stuff/xb/magnaflow/Mag2/IMAG0081.jpg


If you do it right, the inside should look the same as the outside or pretty close. Mine are far from perfect, but they will work and be pretty effective. The next one I build will be all 304 SS. Materials are being cut and rolled for me, it's just a matter of time now.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/dadams1969/exhaust%20stuff/xb/magnaflow/Mag2/IMAG0086.jpg

[brandan86]

I want to either get a magnaflow or flowmaster muffler to replace my recracked blast down pipe. I just had it welded together near the muffler, and now it has cracked near the head.

[bobaganoosh]

Stellio the muffler fits directly over the jardine elbow i just shortened it. i welded it cause that was easier and it looks much better with my exhaust wrap. You could cut slits in it like d adams did and clamp it though if u wanted

[stellio78]

Cool, thanks [up]

[bobaganoosh]

well i figured i would update this. I finally welded some tips on my pipe. I just cut off the original ones and i found some old 2 in milk pipeline in our barn and used that for tips. I used a mig cause thats what i got with stainless steel wire.hopefully it doesnt rust. dont pick on my welds i aint no bajabomer. Nothing i can't fix with a grinder and flap disk.
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20110520083233_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20110520083316_L.jpg
Here it is all polished up. after the flap disk i used a ss wire brush on the grinder then used a polishing wheel on my drill and some ss polish. then i finished it off with a palm polisher and some wheel polish. it turned out pretty good i think not perfect but good enough for me.

http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20110520083347_L.jpg
http://www.buellxb.com/buell_images/6599_20110520083417_L.jpg
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i wrapped the jardine conecting pipe so thats why that isn't polished

[stellio78]

Nice work [cool]

If my Drummer SS ever fails me I'll be doing the same or if I happen to ever pick up a second XB :)

[bobaganoosh]

thanks. if u got the means to make it its pretty easy