Lithium batteries

[buell 4 me]

Just thought I would share some info I got from antigravity batteries:

Hey Bill,,

Heat isn't really a factor, that is not a factual account of Lifepo4 Lithium. The fact is vibration and heat are cause damage to lead acid because of the chemical make up of lead/acid... but this is not a concern with Lifepo4 Lithium. BUT if you are looking at the battery from an economical stand point then I honestly can tell you lead is a better choice. If you not specifically looking to gain better handling, or care about the lightweight and extra power and Â*just need your bike started then I would recommend a name brand lead acid battery... You could probably buy two for the price of the lithium battery so over the course of life lead could prove to be more economical.

Here are the truthful facts. Â*Lithium is significantly lighter and smaller, it offer weight loss and also much more powerful in relation to the size of lead.... It does not need trickle charging and Â*it is a rated for double the number of charge cycles of lead/acid. Â*It is not affected by vibration or heat as is lead. Â*So in theory the battery is much better, but if the bikes electrical system is not operating correctly or the consumer allows the battery to go below 10v it will be damaged and all the benefits go out the window. Â*It is the same for lead acid... people don't realize they have damaged their battery if they allow it to go below 10v it damages the cells in lead/acid and then they need a trickle charger all the time and that masks the damage. These are just battery facts to be aware of...

So you do need to weigh the factors of both. Â*Newer technology, and the benefits they provide do create a higher cost that can be justified by some and not by others. If you just looking for stable starting and a good replacement battery then a Yuasa lead acid battery would probably be the best economical choice.

Regards,

Scott

[ct1200]

Sounds about right.
Lithiums are made for actual racers that need to save every pound they can.

[buell 4 me]

Or us wantabe racers. Haha!! I plan to get one but not just yet.
Hell, it's only money right. :)

[maxwellh86]

i've got one in my bike, it cost $160+ and took forever to get to me (company i bought it from said the japan quake threw off their supply). i got an 8 cell, which they said was the right size for xb9sx, but it barely has enough juice to crank the bike, i'd go for a 12 cell if you're thinking about getting one for a 9. Definitely a 12 if you have a 12.

As far as weight and holding its charge.... its insanely light and small compared to a lead battery, i have enough space next to it to cram a bottle of octane booster, a leatherman and my insurance/registration under my seat. I've done voltage tests on it, after a month of sitting no detectable loss of charge (with a digital multimeter measuring voltage to the nearest tenth).

[buell 4 me]

that's good news.[up] I was originally looking at the 8 cell but decided that I better get the 12 cell. One of the down sides to my new fiberglass solo seat is I can't access the battery or electronics easily. I might need to start carrying a 6mm allen wrench to get the seat off or maybe I can come up with some type of threaded studs and safety pins.

[unionthug]

Lithium-ion batteries are fine for the present but the future is the ultracapacitor. Just wait, the seat will be the battery.

[RT Performance]

still planning a low mount battery on my 1125r this may happen this winter

[fakameanrepresent]

money is the only reason stopping me from getting a lithium battery. also, my bike is only 2 years old with just a little over 600 miles on the bike. it will be a waste to get a new battery now.

[buell 4 me]

Hell, 2 years old and only 600 miles......now that's is a waste. :)

[buell 4 me]

Mines 2 years old and I've put 7000 miles on it and it sat for 6 months this year.

[brightbuell]

Will the 12 cell Lithium have more cold cranking amps then the current stock battery? I have an alarm and i park my bike out side so my battery runs down a lot, i want a battery with more power it does not need to be smaller, i just want it to hold a 25% bigger charge so i can leave my alarm on more often.

[fakameanrepresent]

Hell, 2 years old and only 600 miles......now that's is a waste.

well, the first owner never really rode it. and i just got the bike less than 6 months ago. i bought it with 188 miles, lol.

[buell 4 me]

well, the first owner never really rode it. and i just got the bike less than 6 months ago. i bought it with 188 miles, lol.

Lets go put some miles on that bitch!!

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[Crawler65]

I order my own individual cells from www.hobbyking.com, and build the battery my self. I have them in 2 of my bikes, one is over a year old. ZERO maint. over the last year, and that bike only gets started ever 4-5 weeks, and ridden very little. Battery is working great! I get the cells for $8 each, and solder/seal up the packs with the terminals I want.
I have started a SB Chevy V8 with an 8 cell pack, so I find it odd that an 8 cell is not up to the job of starting a V twin [confused]

[CityBoiX5020]

What specific cells are you ordering Crawler, if you dnt mind me asking?

[Crawler65]

I use these: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/%5F%5F16575%5F%5FA123%5F3%5F3VB%5FLithium%5FIon%5F 2300Ah%5FSingle%5FCell%5FBattery.html

They take about 2 weeks to ship, but worth it.

[uly luigi]

How much for a custom battery Crawler?

[Crawler65]

Sorry, not making them to sell. I don't have the time right now, I'm not even getting my own projects done right now LOL!

[CityBoiX5020]

Crawler, how many are you using to crank the engine? I dont see these putting out enough "umff" to turn it over. With a S/P circuit and four of these cells, it makes 13.2v with only 9.2Ah. Id like to make an application strong enough to start the bike and power accessories with no problem. Your help is much appreciated.

[christianmb]

I thought I would share. I just found this. Hopefully it works. Seems to be cheap enough for Lithium.

Assembled Lithium battery pack (http://www.ebay.com/itm/4s3p-12-cell-A123-systems-motorcycle-battery-13-2v6-9ah-/200535671762?pt=US_Batteries&hash=item2eb0db83d2#ht_2277wt_952)

[user_deleted]

lithium batteries in a bike reminds me of nitrogen filled tires. complete and utter waste of valuable time and money. let the criticism and rants begin now. :p

[Crawler65]

I have not made one for the Buell yet, but when I do, I plan on making an 8 cell. I could be wrong, and may need a 10 or 12 cell, but I have run a ZX11 on an 8 cell W/O issue.

[vtech007]

Thank you for the great info. I voted one rep for you. I plan on building one of these battery packs for my XB12R. Thanks again.

[Crawler65]

"lithium batteries in a bike reminds me of nitrogen filled tires. complete and utter waste of valuable time and money. let the criticism and rants begin now. "

I know what you mean lunatic, the diferance here is this:
We have used air in the tires forever with little to no issues at all, it works good.
We have used lead acid batterys for years, with many issues, and quite a few inherent flaws, but had no better alternatives 'till now.
A123 cells are not just race stuff, they flat out WORK way better than wet batterys. If you park your bike for the winter, you can come back 6mo. later and the battery is still ready to start the bike without issues, and with zero maint. during that 6mo. time. For a lot of people, that alone is worth the price of admission. That is just 1 of the many benefits of them.