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Jcastro4089

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As I had posted in a different thread the previous owner of my 03 XB9S had too much oil in the bike. I decided to change the oil. Good thing I did because it was jet black! I drained the swing arm and then removed the oil filter. I filled the filter with 4oz and then put the remainder of the 2.5 quarts into the swing arm. So the total oil used is 2.5 quarts as the manual (XB9R PDF from here) instructs.

I fired up the bike to check for any oil leaks. It started on the first try (it's been taking 2 tries lately). After about 10 seconds it died. I tried to start it back up,, and it just turns over, no firing. I try a few more times, then finally give it some extra gas and it fires up. I keep the throttle to about 2k for 30 seconds or so, then let it idle a bit before taking it back to 2k for another 30 seconds. It's at this point I remember hearing that these ECMs "learn". I thought with my bike (Race ECM, race exhaust, K&N filter) running for who knows how long with too much oil, it probably adjusted itself to that crappy condition and that with the correct amount of oil it must need to learn its new setup.

I let the bike idle in the driveway for about 10-15 minutes and the fan kicked on (normal?). I then rode around for 20 minutes with the fan on the whole time.  When I got back it was about 9:30pm and dark. I noticed that the header on the front cylinder was glowing red. Not like a lightbulb, but it was definitely producing light. The rear cylinder was not glowing. I turned the bike off, the fan continued to run and the header stopped glowing within 10 seconds or so, and shortly after it looked the same as the rear header, normal.

This bike is still new to me. ALL bikes are new to me. Is this normal, to see a red hot header in the evening? Is it normal for the fan to kick on when the bike is just idling in the driveway after 10-15 minutes? I just drove around in the neighborhood, probably never got above 40 mph, mostly stayed between 2k-3k.

After watching the header cool, I rolled the bike into the garage and checked the oil. I felt the previous owner must have been an idiot to have filled up the oil as much as I previously measured (completely covering the word "Overfilled" on the dipstick). Since I was very precise in the measurement of oil, I expected it to fall smack in the middle of the "Full" section on the dipstick. I pulled out the dipstick and the oil was up to the first E on the word "Overfilled". I wiped it down several times and saw the same thing. Thinking that I may not be measuring the oil properly, I set the dipstick into the swing arm without screwing it back in, and the oil was about 2 letter spaces below the word "Overfilled" but still above the "Full" marker. So my question now is, did I do something wrong with the amount of oil? Is this measurement expected? How do you guys measure your oil?

Sorry for the silly questions, but like I said, I'm new to bikes and I want spend MANY miles with bike.
 
do you have the right hand scoop (its an aftermarket item) installed? It helps a LOT with cooling and is worth its weight in gold during warmer months!!!

I've never had my headers glow, yet I know several people have had that happen to theirs. So I'm not going to say its uncommon.
 
Never had my headers "glow" at all, even after riding for more then a hour @ 85*-90* average of 4500 rpm and getting home after dark.(Race ECM, exhaust and K&N.) Sounds like you might want to try a TPS reset, your front cylinder sounds like it's too lean.

No idea on the oil, never had any problems with mine reading overfull like that. Not sure if it's possible, but could it be the wrong dipstick for your bike??
 
iman501 - I don't have a RSS, but it is on my list. Previous owner put on a carbon fiber LSS so I'm trying to find one that matches.

When I saw the header glowing, I was in the dark driveway with just the garage light barely shining on the bike, so I was hoping that anyone who looked at their headers in the dark would see the glowing. The fact that only the front one was glowing killed that idea since it got the most air. But then again, the fan blows right on the rear header, so who knows.

I have ECMspy, but I haven't tried it yet so I guess I have to look into what needs to be done for a TPS reset. Do I need to do anything other than a TPS reset to check or resolve a lean condition for the front cylinder? Thanks guys.
 
Below is an image I captured last night of the front header "glowing". This was taken before I turned off the bike. Again, the rear header did not look like this. It isn't the best picture, but for a phone camera to capture anything in the dark is a miracle! Thanks again guys for taking the time to help out with this.


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Couple of free things to do - check static timing and post a screen shot of your fueling and timing maps.
 
When you check your oil, do you have your bike leaning on the kickstand? So the bikes on an angle when you check your oil.
Or do you have it on a stand so the bike it straight up and down?
 
headers glowing is normal most people just dont notice it theres a couple of threads on this.
 
Someone correct me if im wrong but most buells are tuned to be a little richer on the rear cylinder to help keep it cool.. the front is leaned because it is getting alot more air.. all 4 of my buells have had the headers glow at some point.. 00 x1, 2005 xb9r, 06 xb12s and 09 1125cr..... these are the 1125cr a few weeks ago..

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DIRTeNtwisted - the bike was on the kickstand and leaned when I checked the oil. I guess I assumed since that's the more likely scenario than having the bike on a rear stand, that would be the correct way to measure. But you know what happens when you make assumptions ...

It just seemed weird to me to see the oil in the overflow section when following the manual exactly. When I ride, I hear a noise up front, and I'm always worried it's something to do with the engine, like lack of oil is going to cause it to seize or something. I think this fear comes from the fact that the PO mentioned replacing the oil pump. So when I saw the oil level high, I got nervous that maybe the oil isn't moving through the engine. But the oil cooler does get warm, so I'm guessing that the oil is making a full path.
 
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