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Buell XB12 coplete rebuild....

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black_xb12r

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finally got the bike tore apart... gettin a complete rebuild minus crang and crank breaings...

d be more than happy to post up all my pics as i go if anyone wants...

ill be running a 1250 big bore kit from NRHS (nallin racing) head will be done right here with some porting and polishing done on a flow bench...
 
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thats all i took so far... will take more as i keep going

Edit: Pic placement
 
i kinda wish i woulda taken pics and documented how i got the frame off more... its not hard but theres ALOT to it... u started takin it off and noticed i missed like 10 different things lol... goin back togather will be a little rougher wiring wise too... making sure i dont pinch anything and stuff... otherwise hooking up all the wires is easy everything just snaps togather with plugs... ill make sure i document it when i go back togather for all you guys...
 
Was rotating engine an option for this job?
XB's are beauties for their simple-machine elegance.
Thank-you for photos of phase one.
 
Your biggest issue with fitment of the harness going back in will be right along the left side of the engine.

I have had harnesses in an out a couple times an really only one way to go in so the plugs are easy it is just getting tge harness to sit just right between the frame and engine.

Definitely keep us updated with pics. [up]
 
yea thats what i figured... thats alot of wires and stuff to get in and sit just right so they dont get pinched or next to something too hot...
 
great pictures keep them coming . really shows how great Buells are such a work of art and great unique innovations of motorcycle technology.

What was your reason or Preference for going with the 1250 big bore kit from NRHS (nallin racing)? just wondering because thought about going bigger bore in a few years maybe, on my xb or on another when get me another down road in a few years.
 
actually there were a couple reasons i went with it... first one was price of the kit... its a super simple bolt on kit for $700 no care boring or anything so pressing out cylinder sleeves or anything like that so simple and quite cheap... 2nd reason was the support of NRHS its a very small mom and pop machine shop and you can get ahold of them with any questions and he will give you straight forward answeres everytime and play no game... and you can get ahold of him everytime... 3rd reason is they will custom taylor the kit for you... like my kit i actually decided to run a xb9 kit in my xb 12 cause the only difference is the crank... so i will have added compression and different squish angles with the heads so everything will match my port job in my heads and dome relief angles...

i priced out alot of kits and looked at alot of options before i bought this one... i also diddnt want to go to much bigger than a 1250 cuase it still needs to be a daily driver... ive over bored alot of race bikes and quads, but sometimes with over bores things just dont work right... especially with air cooled stuff cause of over heatin and stuff with cylinder walls getting so thin...

any other question just post up!
 
cool just checked out thier website . thanks for your info. what torque and HP are you expecting? what about the ecm maps fuel & etc.. custom tuning on dyno or what is your plans for that ? can't wait to see it finished & see a video to watch it and hear it...
 
umm im not really quite sure what to expect for HP and and TQ numbers yet... i dont think it will go way up from what i had... a goog 5 to 10 HP jump would be nice but we will see... i did a few dyno pulls with everything custom tuned on the dyno before i pulled it apart and everything so i have good records to compare it to and everything... i was at 101HP and 104 FT/LBS of TQ before i ripped it apart...

as for ecm maps for fuel and ignition... i have some baseline maps for ecm spy im going to try and then just tune off of them... also gonna try to get ahold of opti if you know who he is... im sure you do... he will prolly be able to just give me a percentage to upp everything and get me close... then everything will get tuned on dyno till im happy lol

yea i dont have much for a video camera lol but i have a helmet cam for all my dirtbike racing so i should be able to put something pretty decent togather...
 
great post to start. i have an 03 xb9r and i have had some interest in a 1050 kit for it. kinda wondering if this would be similar to urs in the sense of money,work, and time. any info on these things would be great. thanks a lot for a great post
 
ok sorry guys, the thread kinda fell apart cuz the weather here went from freezing cold and ice racing to 70+ and i had to get it done cause i needed v-twin power instead of 250cc single cylinder power of you know what i mean :) lol

anywhoo... ther 1250 kit is all the way broke in... break in was 400 miles according to NRHS performance, and just normal riding keeping it below 3700 RPM's... the first 150-200 miles i really went easy on accelerating too... but essentially i was just breaking in the rings, 90% of the valvetrain and cam and everything werent changes so no break in for them...

breakin oil i tried somethin new with this one cause i heard some good things about it from my old man in wisconsin that builds hot rods for a living... i used Royal Purple "engine break in oil" its basically a straight 30 weight NON-synthetic oil with certain detergents and stuff in it... the bike seemed to get a little warm on a warm afternoon and in slower traffic but with non synhetic and 30 weight its to be expected... i changed back to my normal Royal Purple 20W50 max cycle at 450 miles with no problems what so ever....

when finishing putting the kit togather everything went togather without a hitch except a few normal human error bobbles... like looking for the loctite bottle for a half hour and and putting the first circlip on the wrong side to push the wrist pin in, so had to slide a cylinder all the way off and re-start the piston lol but that was all my fault...

initial start up went very well... threw a brand new set of plugs on it just to make sure, went with a cheap set of champions just for start up in case i fouled out a pair... (it diddnt) but seeing as how much assembly lube NRHS tells you to use and how much i put in i was expecting it to foul out...

popped right off on about the 3rd reveloution of the crank, no porblems let it heat up for a little bit and then shit it off after no rattles or anything...

then had to hook up ecm spy and figure out all my map stuff for fuel and timing advance... i started with a basic map, and since m displacement went up by 15% i highlighted my entire fuel map in ecm spy and timesed it by 15% for the front cylinder and 17% for the rear cause the rear needs a little more for cooling... for timing advancement NRHS reccomended 5 degrees but from conversations with mike cobb (xopti) i actually went 7 degrees.... after datalogging and puttin a few miles on the bike with this map my air fuel value was PERFECT so i diddnt change anything till dyno tuning wich actually diddnt make me change much....

but after about 22 miles on the bike a noticed some oul leaking down the front push-rod tube... so i decided to just rotate down the motor and pop a head and take a peek, the front pushrod o-ring between the tube and the cylinderhead has actuall seperated (2 peice o-ring) so i decided i wasnt going to let the back ones slide even though they werent leaking... so i dropped the motor and poped the back head and they werent far behind... i later found out m problem... the gasket set i had was all brand new and sealed in the box, but i got it from a clearance table at an HD dealership for like $40... that was a screaming deal but i never looked and the dates on the box, the gasket set was made in 2003 and the o-rings must have dry rotted and started seperating... so threw a brand new set of genuine james o-rings in here and have been good to go ever since (now at 1748 miles since re-build)

i know this was super long already but it in no way covered everything i did by an means... if anyone wants to know what i used for gaskets-silicones-spectialty tools or any of that just let me know and ill post up...

i also did alot of work claying my heads and checking squich clearance's and stuff to if anyone wants to get into all that jazz... its alot of work but you will make alot more power out of your money your stuffing into your bike...

casey
 
sounds awesome! did you get any dyno numbers yet? im most likely going to get the kit this winter.
 
Hey thanks for the writeup and PM by the way. I am thinking long and hard about having NHRS do some headwork and a bigbore kit over the winter. Need to start saving no.
 
no dyno numbers yet... :( been way to busy racing the dirtbike... but the power is a nite and day difference... TONS of toque... and you can lug it alot lower in the rpm's it chugs along really nice even down at 1500 RPM's no coughing or anything....
 
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