Gloomshadow
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On the EBR site, they show a carbon clutch kit and a "slipper clutch".. anybody ever fool with them? What do they do for a 12R?
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hi.......................the STM slipper clutch (its just a different clutch hub) works well for the XB when you have a use for it................on the track with a motor that has a lightened crank and when you wanna have controlled slides during downshifts and prevent the rear from locking.................... that's what this part is good for.....................much more control over the rear wheel...................on the road.........well depends on how much risk you take and the general set up/tires and if the rest of the bike has been modified to exploit its advantages..........the hub will cost ya around 1000 USD...................for this kind a money I would get the forks done properly and get rid of the rear shock, proper springs (dont use progressive ones) in the front with good shims and valves...........invest a little more and buy an Öhlins shock and you will find that you have a different bike.............a slipper clutch is only useful when you have sorted the chassis/suspension............people invest loads of money in engine work but power is actually a minor factor when compared to the impact a decent chassis/suspension and lightening of the bike have on its performance...............conclusion............in a stock XB12R.......not need whatsoever....
Chris
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Gloomshadow
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I was reading that one guy put the carbon clutch in and it got more power to the ground during a dyno run.. like 10 more horsepower to the ground on a stock motor. Is that possible?
what actually happens when you go over to a better rear shock and front end? what would it allow me to do? Im already scraping toes and foot pegs ..the turns just feel better? Im doing mostly "streetfighter" type riding.. 95% of it under 90mph. A lot of real hard turns under power but the speeds not that high. I am also a very light rider , 150 lbs. Do I actually need to be using better shocks?
what actually happens when you go over to a better rear shock and front end? what would it allow me to do? Im already scraping toes and foot pegs ..the turns just feel better? Im doing mostly "streetfighter" type riding.. 95% of it under 90mph. A lot of real hard turns under power but the speeds not that high. I am also a very light rider , 150 lbs. Do I actually need to be using better shocks?
A stock clutch would have to be improperly installed, adjusted, or just plain worn out to not transfer the power of a stock motor. If someone saw more power from a stock motor after swapping the clutch out, something was wrong with the stock clutch.
Better suspension is only good if you know how to set it up properly. The stock suspension provides excellent performance for most street riders. I ride my XB very hard and I have never felt that the stock suspension is inadequate.
Better suspension is only good if you know how to set it up properly. The stock suspension provides excellent performance for most street riders. I ride my XB very hard and I have never felt that the stock suspension is inadequate.
Gloomshadow
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and I priced the Ohlins set up and its very very expensive..$4500..
hi.....I mainly ride country lanes..........I cant comment on scraping foot pegs..................mine would only touch when the bike is on its side............I quite frequently use my knee sliders and the behavior of the bike under heavy breaking and acceleration through bumpy corners is considerable.......the front really gets responsive and gives feedback.............I had big time problems with left hand corners and after doing the modifications it totally changed my confidence......I still feel that altering the clutch has not got any significantly tangible effect..............doing your suspension gives you a different bike
Chris
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Gloomshadow
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could be that my suspension settings are wrong.. I touch down on my left side a lot. even at low speeds like 45 in hard turns.. my left toe will touch and if I go even tighter the left spike on the foot peg will touch down. (or it feels like it touches, could me my toe touching I will check) I use knee armor but not knee sliders, I keep my knee mostly tucked in during turns.. in the past my knee touched down but I was afraid it would rip my Knox knee armor off so I just moved my knee inside a little.. I have wear on my tire out to the sidewall.. I may be near the limit of adhesion I don't know.. in the past three years I never low-sided the bike yet so I guess Im doing ok..
Very much sounds like you have been able to build your confidence in the bike with the stock suspension in the same was as I was when I did the upgrade........I like the kneeslider (I waer a Dianese one piece suit) as it allows me to get a better gauge of when I am overdoing it.....I usually have my toe on the pegs.......my Mate tome always wrecks his boots.................his got bigger feet.........I have a particular like for the PilotPower 2CT this works very well for me.....but there is very little between........grip and gone.......what tires do you use?
Chris
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prefer tank-top, gym shorts, flip-flops and Ray-bans.
Gloomshadow
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Pilot Power Plus..,, I keep my toe right under behind the shift peg.. but I wear a heavy duty "crusier" style boot.. called "New Rock" made in Spain, very heavy duty and can be used for stunting.. it has a Frankenstein looking sole on the shoe about 1 inch thick.. they help me touch the ground better at stop lights... Florida has uneven roads and it rains a lot here.. I have a lot of preload on the bike to help me turn it tight with my light bodyweight so it has a high ride height. I have it adjusted for a rider 20lbs heavier than I actually am.
now that I think about it I think my tire may be the same as your tire.. when I bought the bike it had Pilots on it, I liked them so I kept them.. I think over the years my guys at the shop put a newer style of Pilot on it.. Im not sure. I don't really worry about tires that much, it came with Pilots and I just kept asking for more of them.. felt good for me, that's the only tire I know on this bike.
now that I think about it I think my tire may be the same as your tire.. when I bought the bike it had Pilots on it, I liked them so I kept them.. I think over the years my guys at the shop put a newer style of Pilot on it.. Im not sure. I don't really worry about tires that much, it came with Pilots and I just kept asking for more of them.. felt good for me, that's the only tire I know on this bike.
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@lunatic ha ha I saw a guy dressed just like that on a GSXR1000 the other day, he was doing wheelies going down the road and it made me mad.. I ran up on him in traffic and challenged him to a game of "follow the leader".. he straightened up real quick and wouldn't follow me.. I guess all that body armor intimidated him. I don't understand these squids with these real fast bikes, they talk **** about how slow Buells are but they get scared to hang with me in traffic..I got balls but Im not THAT much of a madman! I figure if a guy is so good that "he cant crash" and can wear flip-flops, then lets go ahead and open these things up together! They wont seem to do it with me though..
So far in my area Ive only met one guy that could really ride his ass off and that was this guy I ran into on a yellow Ducati 748 that was punched out to 1000.. he didn't say much, just told me what he had and then rode it like the Devil. I had a hard time keeping up with him, that dude could TURN! He was about 30, old enough to have experience but still young enough to be crazy.
So far in my area Ive only met one guy that could really ride his ass off and that was this guy I ran into on a yellow Ducati 748 that was punched out to 1000.. he didn't say much, just told me what he had and then rode it like the Devil. I had a hard time keeping up with him, that dude could TURN! He was about 30, old enough to have experience but still young enough to be crazy.
Your setup is different in that respect that the customized springs and preload I use is adjusted to my weight (80 kg with gear)...I don´t like it when there is to little negative suspension travel and the rear gets bouncy......the front has a moderate preload.........I have turned my shift pattern to race shift........this way my toes are usually on top of the peg
by the way..................as a junior I used to see motorcycle accident victims quite frequently in the ER......the number of totally avoidable bad injuries due to **** protection and riding gear irritated me..................now I am just accepting that some people just love pain.......I only ride in full gear and I push my bikes......I always try to find like minded guys to play and learn more......a faster guy is very often a good teacher...as long as you are not to far outside your comfort zone......we all make mistakes.............I am by the way 48 and I do enjoy a good scrap.....
by the way..................as a junior I used to see motorcycle accident victims quite frequently in the ER......the number of totally avoidable bad injuries due to **** protection and riding gear irritated me..................now I am just accepting that some people just love pain.......I only ride in full gear and I push my bikes......I always try to find like minded guys to play and learn more......a faster guy is very often a good teacher...as long as you are not to far outside your comfort zone......we all make mistakes.............I am by the way 48 and I do enjoy a good scrap.....
Gloomshadow
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yeah I am old too (44).. I have had many accidents but the first one was the worst. I was 24 and disintegrated my Ninja 600R (modified) on a car that ran a red light in a intersection.. I did a clean T-bone right into her driver side door at 65mph! All I had on was my Army BDU uniform and a helmet (and that was unstrapped)!! I woke up 3 days later out of my coma, 2 years of recovery. After that, It was all the body armor all the time.
I went down 2 weeks ago when I hit a cat at 50mph.. no problems at all. Only $200 damage to the bike and $170 for a new Icon Helmet.. if you do not wear "street armor" at the minimum, your crazy. Full race, one piece is the best you can get but I choose 2 piece because it is so hot here in the summer.. and I keep my speeds at a "sane" level on the street. My main worry is being run over by a car behind me.. if that happens, there is no armor that can save you.
As for the young "squids", it find it amazing to see a 21 year old rider with maybe 10K miles experience on a hypersport. They will ride around like madmen but when an old guy on a XB12R in "Field Armor" shows up, they slow WAAY down and get shy.. I will say "Come on man, my bike is way slower than yours, lets play follow the leader.." They go "No, no thanks man.. not today.. I got to be somewhere soon." Or "No too many police out today." ...and I am NOT that fast, they think I am much faster than I really am. Its funny.
I went down 2 weeks ago when I hit a cat at 50mph.. no problems at all. Only $200 damage to the bike and $170 for a new Icon Helmet.. if you do not wear "street armor" at the minimum, your crazy. Full race, one piece is the best you can get but I choose 2 piece because it is so hot here in the summer.. and I keep my speeds at a "sane" level on the street. My main worry is being run over by a car behind me.. if that happens, there is no armor that can save you.
As for the young "squids", it find it amazing to see a 21 year old rider with maybe 10K miles experience on a hypersport. They will ride around like madmen but when an old guy on a XB12R in "Field Armor" shows up, they slow WAAY down and get shy.. I will say "Come on man, my bike is way slower than yours, lets play follow the leader.." They go "No, no thanks man.. not today.. I got to be somewhere soon." Or "No too many police out today." ...and I am NOT that fast, they think I am much faster than I really am. Its funny.
hi........well you managed to get back from a big one.....well done for getting back on a bike......I so far was lucky and survived these times whiout a big misshapp......but I only had a 650cc Honda during these days.......
I rode my Buell suit for years only minor misshaps........last years I had my new leaders for two weeks and was half asleep on that particluar morning when I apprached a roundabout.......I realised you are too fast mate......OK....hanging off arround the roundabout on the kneeslider.......cold tires...and then I lost her.........Bike had mingled footpeg and plate, gearlever, mirror broken, scratched left airscoop, handle bar endcap...........thanks to the stiff EBR pegs and the flexible peg plates and the superbike handle bar I have on the bike I had no other damages........now my new leaders are used leaders......best thing was I did not feel a thing afterwards apart from being a little shaken.
..the guys that I very much look out for are the guys in parrott colour leaders, big beer belly, thin legs on a pimped japanese 1000 cc inline four......usually with a superbike handlebar.........we have few of these roaming our steets and they are the really experienced bastards who show you what they can do on a bike when you try them......lolol......
I rode my Buell suit for years only minor misshaps........last years I had my new leaders for two weeks and was half asleep on that particluar morning when I apprached a roundabout.......I realised you are too fast mate......OK....hanging off arround the roundabout on the kneeslider.......cold tires...and then I lost her.........Bike had mingled footpeg and plate, gearlever, mirror broken, scratched left airscoop, handle bar endcap...........thanks to the stiff EBR pegs and the flexible peg plates and the superbike handle bar I have on the bike I had no other damages........now my new leaders are used leaders......best thing was I did not feel a thing afterwards apart from being a little shaken.
..the guys that I very much look out for are the guys in parrott colour leaders, big beer belly, thin legs on a pimped japanese 1000 cc inline four......usually with a superbike handlebar.........we have few of these roaming our steets and they are the really experienced bastards who show you what they can do on a bike when you try them......lolol......
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in addition to rubber flip-flops, the little lady sometimes requires me to wear one of her thongs under my nylon gym shorts when we ride together. i just attribute it to her being "odd" but i always oblige her.
Gloomshadow
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ha ha man knock it off..
