07 XB12SS Build

[modrummer]

The RFID shouldn't be used for energizing the ignition for that exact reason.

The RFID part should only activate (unlock) the starter button, (I added a light to tell me if it was unlocked)

Pressing the stock starter button will now either just cycle the ignition on and off, or energize the ignition and crank the bike at the same time (if you have the brake lever or clutch lever pulled, your choice). Now with the bike running, pressing the starter button again will kill the ignition. Slick! You can walk away from it running because the RFID doesn't control the ignition, it just unlocks the starter button. Exactly the way a new 'keyless' car works. Key in pocket, foot on brake, press start button. Press start button again to stop.

FYI, these bikes take a lot of CCA, so don't use the tiny relay in the cheap RFID box to crank the starter. Use it to energize the stock starter relay instead:up:

Interesting. How difficult was it to wire up this way?

And if I understand correctly, it sounds like the RFID basically takes the place of the kill switch, only allowing use of the starter button when it is engaged (which is fine with me).

So if this is the case, how do you turn on the gauges and such (first key position I beleive on the keyed ignition) before starting the bike? Do you have all of that wired into the killswitch so that it is all off when the killswitch is off, and the gauges and headlight come on when you engage the killswitch? Or do you have a separate toggle switch somewhere that turns on the dash and lights?

Sorry if that's a dumb question. I've been doing alot of reading on RFID ignition setups, but it's difficult to find a thorough guide on them, and I've always been more of a hands-on learner anyway.

 

[Cooter]

Interesting. How difficult was it to wire up this way?

Super simple. Get the RFID with the push button switch included and just wire your stock yellow starter switch in place of the supplied button.

And if I understand correctly, it sounds like the RFID basically takes the place of the kill switch, only allowing use of the starter button when it is engaged (which is fine with me).
Nope. That would be an ignition interrupt (what you DO NOT want)

So if this is the case, how do you turn on the gauges and such (first key position I beleive on the keyed ignition) before starting the bike? Do you have all of that wired into the killswitch so that it is all off when the killswitch is off, and the gauges and headlight come on when you engage the killswitch? Or do you have a separate toggle switch somewhere that turns on the dash and lights?

There is only one key position on your bike (don't include the 'park' position that leaves the taillight on) so its either all on or all off right now. There is 2 ignition circuits that are BOTH turned on with the single key position, the RFID box should have 2 ignition circuit input/outputs (as well at a start circuit) to keep them separate, but turn them on and off at the same time, like the key does now.
Now the starter button does the ignition AND the crank. If you want to start the bike, swipe the RFID (no circuit is energized, the button is just 'unlocked', no ignition on...), hold the brake (or clutch lever, your choice to wire) and press the start button (the ignition activates and the starter cranks until the bike starts).
If you want to just turn on the ignition and NOT start the bike (for some reason?)... swipe the RFID and press the start button (ignition will energize, bike will not crank unless you pull a lever and press the button again

You can leave the kill switch inline if you like using it. But it's unnecessary. The starter button right next to it will now shut the bike off since you have no key to do that

Sorry if that's a dumb question. I've been doing alot of reading on RFID ignition setups, but it's difficult to find a thorough guide on them, and I've always been more of a hands-on learner anyway.

Like this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Car-K...owerStarter-Ignition-Switch-12V-/253260452057

Cut off the 3 wires the switch comes with: 2 go to your stock yellow starter switch, one is for a light (I put a small LED in the right control housing so I knew when the system was 'unlocked')
White: oil pressure sensor output so it knows when the bike running. Some need a tach signal, Crank or Cam sensor output is fine.
Grey/White: Just ground it, or use it as an extra safety by hooking up to the kill switch (unit won't operate unless it sees ground here)
Brown white: Same as above but unit will operate only if it does NOT see ground here, as if an alarm was armed
Blue/white: Brake light wire (or clutch switch wire) unit will crank the engine when the button in unlocked AND this circuit is closed
Green/white: no connection
Yellow/White: no connection
Brown: No connection. It will activate with the RFID, turn off while cranking and turn back on once started
Yellow: The activate the stock starter solonoid (Not the starter itself)
Blue: The stock ignition circuit that does NOT control the fuel pump, it also turn off while cranking)
White: The stock ignition circuit that activates the fuel pump (it's from the kill switch)

You can make all of these connections at the ECM with the pin-out from the manual (Buellmods.com or Buelltooth.com)

 

[modrummer]

Like this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Car-K...owerStarter-Ignition-Switch-12V-/253260452057

Cut off the 3 wires the switch comes with: 2 go to your stock yellow starter switch, one is for a light (I put a small LED in the right control housing so I knew when the system was 'unlocked')
White: oil pressure sensor output so it knows when the bike running. Some need a tach signal, Crank or Cam sensor output is fine.
Grey/White: Just ground it, or use it as an extra safety by hooking up to the kill switch (unit won't operate unless it sees ground here)
Brown white: Same as above but unit will operate only if it does NOT see ground here, as if an alarm was armed
Blue/white: Brake light wire (or clutch switch wire) unit will crank the engine when the button in unlocked AND this circuit is closed
Green/white: no connection
Yellow/White: no connection
Brown: No connection. It will activate with the RFID, turn off while cranking and turn back on once started
Yellow: The activate the stock starter solonoid (Not the starter itself)
Blue: The stock ignition circuit that does NOT control the fuel pump, it also turn off while cranking)
White: The stock ignition circuit that activates the fuel pump (it's from the kill switch)

You can make all of these connections at the ECM with the pin-out from the manual (Buellmods.com or Buelltooth.com)

Wow, that's super helpful. Thanks man! Appreciate you putting in the effort to share that.

I'll take a crack at it when it shows up, doesn't sound too bad.

 

[Cooter]

It is pretty common sense if you're ok dealing with electrons:eagerness:

This thread makes me want to do it again. It was super convenient!

 

[modrummer]

Hey cooter, I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to wiring, and the instructions that came with the RFID are rather lacking. See pictures below. On the supplied wiring diagram, no yellow wire is listed and I'm not sure what the plug pin thing is that has the red/black/yellow/white wires going to it is?

On the relay itself I assume N/C and N/O stand for normally closed and normally open. If this is the case, what should be run to those two and the "COM " port? Sorry for all the questions !

 

[Cooter]

Mmm, Hmmm....
OK. The wire colors I referenced were for the link I posted (to the thing you need). It's 26 bucks and well worth it.

What you bought is a giant box that only turns a relay on and off with the RFID chip. It won't do what you want it to do. Sorry bud.

Get that thing (in the link) on the way and I'll walk you through the install:angel:

 

[modrummer]

Mmm, Hmmm....
OK. The wire colors I referenced were for the link I posted (to the thing you need). It's 26 bucks and well worth it.

What you bought is a giant box that only turns a relay on and off with the RFID chip. It won't do what you want it to do. Sorry bud.

Get that thing (in the link) on the way and I'll walk you through the install:angel:

Darn, ok I went ahead and ordered the one you linked. The one I got only cost $10 so I'm not out much, and I might find another fun use for it.

Thanks!

 

[modrummer]

Mmm, Hmmm....
OK. The wire colors I referenced were for the link I posted (to the thing you need). It's 26 bucks and well worth it.


What you bought is a giant box that only turns a relay on and off with the RFID chip. It won't do what you want it to do. Sorry bud.

Get that thing (in the link) on the way and I'll walk you through the install:angel:

Ok so because I'm pretty dumb and learning, would it not work with my current RFID to just have the tag turn the bike power on and off? So basically "swiping" the RFID tag turns the bike on (lights, gauges, etc... and then you can just press the starter button). Swiping it again turns everything back off. Seems like that would be fairly simple. I would have to mount the RFID reader somewhere out of the way so I couldn't accidentally turn it off while riding (possibly in the tail section somewhere?

If I am totally misunderstanding that let me know

 

[modrummer]

Ok so last night I installed shorter clutch and throttle cables. Took a little bit of creative throttle cable routing so that they would fit with the clip ons and headlight without binding, but I think I have it figured out! Also fabbed up a couple brackets to mount the stock gauges. I'm not completely sold on that look, I kind of want to find an aftermarket dash that is smaller to put on top of the upper triple, but that is not in the budget at the moment. Once I finish everything else I may look into that route.

Also deciding on what to do for front turn signals. The rear turn signal is integrated into the LED strip tail light. I have some small LED stalk turn signals that would be the easiest solution, but I'm also considering two small LED strips wrapped around the edges of the headlight bucket to keep the front as clean as possible. Decisions....

Still waiting on the RFID to get here so Cooter can help me get that installed and I can finally finish cleaning up the wiring in the front.

Also, once I finish this project in the next week or two, all the stock parts I took off will be going up for sale. So far that would be the stock headlight, housing (the piece that holds the headlight and gauges, not sure what the official name of that is), flyscreen, tail light, clutch, and throttle cables. So hit me up if you want early dibs on anything!

 

[BuellyBagger]

I wouldn't mind having a spare headlight housing if it's cheap enough (I mean the actual headlights)

 

[34nineteen]

Ok so because I'm pretty dumb and learning, would it not work with my current RFID to just have the tag turn the bike power on and off? So basically "swiping" the RFID tag turns the bike on (lights, gauges, etc... and then you can just press the starter button). Swiping it again turns everything back off. Seems like that would be fairly simple. I would have to mount the RFID reader somewhere out of the way so I couldn't accidentally turn it off while riding (possibly in the tail section somewhere?

If I am totally misunderstanding that let me know

I think its a proximity thing more than a swipe that activates/deactivates the ignition. I did a bit of reading on these, and one person is recommending to make sure to keep the RFID chip far from the bike when parked, so it doesnt activate the ignition intentionally. I've ordered one for my project bike and will *hopefully* get it installed next week. I'm going to copy Cooter and just wire the start switch to the factory one on the throttle.

 

[modrummer]

I wouldn't mind having a spare headlight housing if it's cheap enough (I mean the actual headlights)

PM coming your way

 

[modrummer]

I think its a proximity thing more than a swipe that activates/deactivates the ignition. I did a bit of reading on these, and one person is recommending to make sure to keep the RFID chip far from the bike when parked, so it doesnt activate the ignition intentionally. I've ordered one for my project bike and will *hopefully* get it installed next week. I'm going to copy Cooter and just wire the start switch to the factory one on the throttle.

Interesting, and makes some sense. I was thinking about wiring the reciever into the tail section, and since it only has a couple inch range, there shouldn't be much risk of the biking turning on or off unless I put the chip DIRECTLY on the tail piece.

That said, I am also planning to do the Cooter method. After doing some more reading I ended up ordering the RFID kit he reccomended and I plan to wire it up with the starter button being the ignition on, while keeping the kill switch wired in for a little extra safety.

 

[modrummer]

Ok cooter, I have the RFID kit you recommended in front of me!
Most of the wiring makes sense, however I don't see where the RFID chip comes into play? The kit didn't include one, and I'm not sure where I would wire it in?



This is everything it came with.

 

[Cooter]

I have no idea if that exact link I posted is even RFID? Did it say it was? I simply grabbed the first thing I saw to show the wiring process for the starter button.

Just now, I went to eBay and typed "RFID push button start"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-12V-En...m=232459890897&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

I read the description. It has the RFID chips (Blue things) and the sensor (loop thing) and the push button start (button). I believe thats what you want, but read the description before you buy it to make sure.

 

[modrummer]

I have no idea if that exact link I posted is even RFID? Did it say it was? I simply grabbed the first thing I saw to show the wiring process for the starter button.

Just now, I went to eBay and typed "RFID push button start"

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Car-12V-En...m=232459890897&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

I read the description. It has the RFID chips (Blue things) and the sensor (loop thing) and the push button start (button). I believe thats what you want, but read the description before you buy it to make sure.

Dangit, I should have paid more attention...

Ok so it looks like the one I got isn't RFID, but the rest of the wiring is identical, just doesn't have the RFID receiver part. Would it be possible to use the RFID kit that I have (posted a page back in this thread ) between the 12v signal and this engine start kit so that the RFID would just "unlock" the engine start kit setup? Sorry if I explained that weird.

I feel dumb

 

[modrummer]

Screw it, played with the wiring and decided there's no way I'm making two boxes fit anyway. Found an Amazon seller who has the correct RFID push button kit with free one day shipping so should be here tomorrow.

Sorry for the noobishness cooter!

 

[Cooter]

No worries I'm happy to help. Let me know when you get it.

 

[34nineteen]

I received mine the other day and it has the blue transponders. I haven't had a chance to install it yet.

From what it seems, the instructions (written in the finest Chinglish) indicate to touch the transponder in the center of the sensor loop to activate it. I shelved it for awhile until I can get the bike off jackstands and back on the ground.

 

[Cooter]

Thats right. You can carefully take the wire out of the plastic loop to fit it somewhere like the handlebar control switch box.