haha I started that thread, and yes the general consensus from everyone that has never had a Dan Moto is that they are **** because of the price. But I have to say I had one on my R1 for 2-years; 10,000 miles and it was honestly great, held up fine and you will see that all the people that bought them thought they were pretty decent, just saying. I can't say I noticed any power gains over the previous exhaust, but it sounded good, pretty loud.