Let me say with y 30+ years of experience. rode both 11 and the 848 nicky hayden. let me say one of the best handling and looking bikes ive ridden. motor performance SUCKS. Along with maintance, CONSTANT. my R6 will smoke the 848 and with a little tuning will hang with the 11. I know this is not the popular opinon but just my 30 years of riding. IF you want an italian/european bike go with the MV or the aprilia. Ducati's are like supermodels really nice to look at but and really high maintance, but once you get on one their not much different than your old girlfriend.