GAS prices?

[kajer]

I paid $10.12 for 2.629 gallons of gas today... It was 94 octane though. So, ~1 gallon of 91 was in the tank + 2.6gallons of 94 == ~93.2 octane

Just thought I would sample it, I got the gas and rode home, nothing special. So I really don't expect to notice a difference, but we'll see.

I found a gas station that had 87 89 91 94 96 98 100 & 110-LEADED

today 100 & 110 were 5.749/gal
94 was $3.849/gal

 

[xtremelow]

I live here in MI and almost all gastation well 60% of them carry 93 Octane and that is what I always run.

Once in a while I will go down to one of the 3 stations that carry 110 Octane Unleaded Hass and put a gallon of that in my bike.

I say screw the 94 and bump up to the 98 or 100 octane.

 

[only1reds]

Well down here in Southern CA, 91, MAYBE 92 unleaded at best

 

[briarsarmor]

At any regular gas station in Oklahoma the best octane level I have ever seen is 91 at Shell. Which I just filled up at this morning. 2.684 Gallons for $6.71.

Briar

 

[dave_xb12r]

Xtremelow, do you have your top speed issue running 91?

 

[jimmydean]

I run Chevron 93 in all my bikes, $2.97 last fill up. I run B99 in my truck and it was $2.48 a gallon at the pump yesterday. That doesn't include the $.50 tax break I get per gallon, though.

 

[kajer]

here is a question, would leaded gas hurt our bikes? We don't have a CAT or anything like that.. so what if you mixed a half a gallon of 110 leaded with 91 or 94??

 

[jimmydean]

If run regularly, the leaded gas will likely cause sensor damage. But if you run it only so often, then no major issues.

The main problem I see is if you run something higher/lower than what your bike is mapped for, then your bike is not running as well as it could. So if you are paying more for higher octane but aren't tuned for it, then you won't get the full advantage of it.

 

[xtremelow]

My speed issue has been resolved to the simple fact I am running an XB9 not an XB12.

Many if the guys I talked with that have 9's top out at the same speed. And I have never run 91 only 93 and once in a while a little 110.

 

[teh Nub]

here is a question, would leaded gas hurt our bikes? We don't have a CAT or anything like that.. so what if you mixed a half a gallon of 110 leaded with 91 or 94??

Hurt the bike, not in the short run, but if ran continuously, there will be some deposit build up since all the fuel will not burn. As far as sensor's, I wouldn't worry about them directly. I ran tank fulls of straight 110 leaded race gas in my car for 2 years every weekend or every other weekend and had no problems with my Wideband o2 sensor.

The higher octane the more resistance to burn the fuel has and like said previously you won't be making as much power. If you have a turbo or a built engine that requires the high octane fuel to prevent knock, fine, but you aren't doing anything for your bike if it's basically stock and running a high octane fuel. Your engine run's best with a fuel that just slightly passes the threshold of knock. I use 93 which is technically overkill since our bikes only require 91 oct. but I have tuned my bike and added some timing.

 

[kajer]

ahhh, all sound advice...

I like the smell of burnt 110 leaded

 

[03fire9r]

Man I wish we had gas stations around here like that.

The only place we can get C12 race fuel (110) octane is the local circle track or the drag strip. The best we can get at the pump is 93... so that is what I run.

 

[RyBuell]

Hey Reds, Im in SoCal too..found a listing of SoCal high octane stations.

High Octane gas in Socal

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Don't know if some one did this but i came across it so i thought i would share.

Fullerton
Mark's 76
2043 W Commonwealth Ave. (cross of Gilbert) Between Magnolia and Brookhurst, north of I-5 and 91 Fwy.
(714) 278-0986
Open 24 hours
100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 6.99 (4/18/2007)


Bellflower
Bellflower 76 Service
16719 Lakewood Blvd. Bellflower (562) 633-9176
100 octane in barrels @ 10.00 a gallon (4/18/2007)
110 octane LEADED in barrels @ 10.00 a gallon (4/18/2007)


Huntington Beach
Huntington Beach Car Wash
18971 Beach Blvd near Garfield Ave. (714) 847-4924
Hours: 8 AM - 5 PM, 7 days a week.
100 octane VP Racing at the pump @ 5.89 (4/18/2007)
Pump is padlocked because that pump doesn't have an ATM reader. You'll need to pay inside.

Indio
Clark's Travel Center
82-253 Indio Blvd. (Exit Indio Blvd off I-10) (760) 342-4776
http://www.clarkstravelcenter.com/
Sunoco 100 unleaded at the pump @ 6.19 a gallon (4/18/2007)
Sunoco 110 leaded racing fuel at the pump @ 5.99 a gallon (4/18/2007) Open 24 hours

Laguna Hills
76 Station
25172 Cabot Rd. (near La Paz) (949) 770-8300
101 octane unleaded at the pump @ 8.99 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Los Angeles
Rio Petroleum 76
11675 W. Pico Blvd. (cross of Barrington) (310) 477-6144
100 octane unleaded VP fuel at the pump @ 8.49 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Los Angeles
Brentwood 76
12037 San Vicente Blvd. (cross of Bundy) (310) 476-4818
100 octane unleaded fuel at the pump @ 7.89 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Newport Beach
Newport Hills 76
2690 San Miguel Rd. (949) 644-7151
Hours: 6 AM - 10 PM, 7 AM - 10 PM on Sundays.
100 octane unleaded fuel at the pump @ 7.99 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Norco
Mark's 76
2807 Hamner Ave. (1/2 mile north of Second St. exit from I-15) (951) 278-2330
Hours: 5:30 AM to 10:30 PM
100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 6.97 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Orange
Mitchell's Auto, " The Pit Stop "
700 Chapman Ave. (714) 532-5900
100 octane unleaded at the pump @ 7.35 a gallon (4/18/2007)
110 octane leaded at the pump @ 7.05 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Pasadena
Arroyo Parkway 76
155 E. Glenarm St. (626) 441-3392
South of California Blvd. between Fair Oaks and Los Robles where the 110 Fwy ends
Hours: 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM
100 octane unleaded at pump @ 6.49 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Pomona
Phillips Ranch 76
16 Village Loop Rd. (909) 623-2429
Hours: 5:30 AM to 9:00 PM
100 octane unleaded at pump @ 7.49 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Rancho Santa Fe (near Encinitas off I-5)
VP Racing fuels
6089 La Flecha 858-756-2929
VP racing fuel 100 octane at the pump @ 6.99 a gallon (4/18/2007)

West Covina
South Hills 76
150 S. Citrus Ave. (626) 339-8018
100 octane unleaded at pump @ 6.95 a gallon (4/18/2007)

Rosamond
(unconfirmed) Willow Springs Race Way (road track)
http://www.willowspringsraceway.com/home/home.asp
$10 gate fee during weekend events.

Bakersfield
(unconfirmed) Buttonwillow Raceway (road track) http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/
(located 28 miles northwest of Bakersfield off I-5) $10 gate fee during weekend events.

Downey
Socal Performance
9723 Washburn Road. Downey, CA 90241
(562) 862-9122
Open Mon-Fri; Saturday mornings (Call)
Lowest grade they carry is
108 Octane @ 6.75 per gallon. (4/18/2007)
114 oct @ 7.50 per gallon (4/18/2007)
121 oct @ 8.00 per gallon (4/18/2007)

Socal Performance *Updated 6/21/06
9723 Washburn Road ()
Downey, CA 90241
(562) 862-9122 Open Mon-Fri 8:30AM-5PM; Saturday mornings (Call)
Lowest grade they carry is Leaded 108 Octane @ 5.50 per gallon. (Awesome price!).
You provide your own container or buy their 5 gal container for $22.10.
They also carry Methanol:
2.50 per gallon (you provide container)
38.00 per 5 gallon container.

Orme Brothers Inc. *Updated 5/3/06
18453 Parthenia Pl. ()
Northridge, CA 91325
(877) 676-3277 (877-ORMEBRS)
103 Octane @ $47.50 per 5 gallon sealed containers
They also carry Methanol:
$35.00 per 5 gallon sealed containers

Manning Fuel Inc. (Verified 5/4/06)
8407 Tujunga Ave ()
Sun Valley, Ca 91352
(818) 767-FUEL
8AM-5PM Mon-Fri; Closed Sat.
Octane Levels of 103 thru 117
5 Gallon Jugs from $25.00 - 52.57
30 Gallon Barrel from $207-270
55 Gallon Barrel from $340-518
Methanol:
5 gal can 25.45
30 gal drum 124.20
55 gal drum 189.38

Laguna Express Car Wash - *Thanks boataholic
25172 CABOT RD
Laguna Hills, CA 92653
Confirmed 100 Octane Pump Gas $7.99 on 1/1/07 ()

Blue Star Gas & Mart *Updated 4/24/07 - ()
2155 S. Euclid Ave.()
Ontario, CA North Euclid off the 60FWY @ E. Philadelphia St.
(909) 395-9389
100 Octane = $6.99

VP Racing Fuels *Updated 4/24/07 - ()
34281 Monte Vista Rd.()
Wildomar, CA Between Bundy Canyon and Baxter Rd. off the 15 FWY.
(951) 674-9167
100 Octane = $6.99

Agoura 76
28203 Dorothy Dr. ()
Agoura Hills (818) 991-6241

Bellflower 76 Service
16719 Lakewood Blvd. ()
Bellflower, CA (562) 633-9176
(Verified, 100+ Octane but not pump. Sold in 5gal ($8/per gallon 'fill your own container'-$50.00/per 5 gallon pail if you don't bring your own container & 55gal barrel/$440.00) updated 4/11/06.

Downs Oil Co. (Verified as of 6/28/05)
1296 Magnolia ()
Corona, CA 92879 (909) 737-3421 or 888-910-3835
-Sunoco 110 Leaded Racing Gas - $3.50 a gallon
-Sunoco 122 Leaded Racing Gas - $4.50 a gallon
-Sunoco Methyl Alcohol - $3.00 a gallon
http://www.downs4fuel.com/dcfracing.htm

Huntington Beach Car Wash
18971 Beach Blvd. ()
Huntington Bch. (714) 847-4924
(Verified $5.89 100 Octane Pump)

Mark's 76
(714) 278-0986
2043 W Commonwealth Ave. (cross street Gilbert) ()
Fullerton, CA 92833
(Verified $7.69 100 Octane Pump) * Price updated 1/11/08

Mitchell's Auto, The Pit Stop
700 Chapman Ave.
Orange, CA (714) 532-5900
100 Oct unleaded and 110 Oct leaded @ the pump
()

Huntington 76
2390 Huntington Drive
San Marino, CA (626) 286-6030
100 Oct unleaded @ the pump
()

J & R Shell
1808 White Ave.
La Verne, CA (909) 593-7015

Brentwood 76 Service
12037 San Vicente Blvd. (cross street Bundy) ()
Los Angeles,CA (310) 476-4818
(Verified $6.45 100 Octane Pump)

Graham 76 Service
2690 San Miguel Rd. ()
(405 to 73 New Port to Mac Aurthur Left Anita, Right Prarie in Pavillion Shopping Center)
Newport Bch., CA (949) 644-7151
(Verified $5.49 100 Octane Pump as of 3-1-06)

Mike's 76 Station (Verified)
100- Octane 5.99/gallon
2807 Hamner Ave - (951) 278-2330

F&L Racing Fuel
111 Lead Octane
corner of Engineer road and La Mirada
Vista California
$5.06 gallon

Southern Counties Oil *
1825 W. Collins
Orange, CA (714) 744-7140

Smokey's Auto Parts Speed (Verified)
1602 S Coast Hwy ()
Oceanside, CA 92054
Sunoco 100 Octane

Arroyo Parkway 76 End of freeway 110
155 E. Glenarm ()
Pasadena, CA (626) 441-3392
(Verified was $5.99 100 Octane Pump NOW $6.19 as of 4-11-06; $6.49 per gallon as of 3-5-07)

Phillips Ranch 76
16 Village Loop Rd. ()
Pomona, CA (909) 623-2429
(Verified $5.35 100 Octane Pump)

S.T. Motorsports (Verified )
346 S. I Street Unit #8
San Bernardino CA 92410
(909)388-2536

Cosby Oil Co. (Verified 1/1/07)
6220 Fairmount Ave.
San Diego, CA (619) 280-6884
Cardlock gas station-you can only get gas if you have a credit account with them. They carry various racing gas. ()

JBA Racing ·
VP Race Fuel
5155 Convoy Street
San Diego, CA 92111
Local: (858) 495-3395
Toll Free: (888) JBA-5570
Fax: (858) 495-0954

SKS (Verified)
1730 W. Mission Rd. ()
Escondido, CA 92029
(858)530-1193; 714-533-1379; 1-800-564-0744
F & L 110 Leaded Octane Pump @ $6.08 *Verified 3-5-07


Cosby Oil Co. (Verified)
12902 E. Park St. ()
Santa Fe Springs, CA (562) 946-4404
www.cosbyoil.com
(6.53/per gallon if you provide your own container ($32.65/5gal your own container))
(8.03/per gallon if you buy their 5 gallon pail ($40.15/5gal pail))
(6.93 per gallon/55 gallon drums ($381.15/55gal))
They will drop ship the 55 gal drums and credit you 20.00 when drums are empty and they come pick it up.) updated 4/11/06.

76 - 100 octane (verified)
Pico & Barrington ()
Santa Monica, Ca
$9.45/gal 100 octane

Alliance Gas Station
Sherman Mini Market Verified (4-19-06)
16103 Sherman Way, ()
Van Nuys, CA 91406
(818) 780-8209
Closes at 10PM!

Playa Vista 76
8300 Lincoln Blvd ()
Westchester, CA (310) 649-4683
(Verified $8.75 105 Octane; $7.50 111 Leaded; $9.25 Leaded 118)

Santa Ana Speed Center
120 S. Broadway St. ()
Westchester, CA (714) 835-6424
(Verified $36.50 5gal/100 Octane; $46.85 5gal/105 Octane; $41.80 5gal/118 Octane) No pump/Only 5 Gal F&L tanks.

Kahn 76 Service
150 S. Citrus ()
West Covina, CA (626) 339-8018
(Verified 100 Oct at $6.05)

Woodland Hills, Texaco ()
101 Octane @ $5.60 per gallon pump.
Woodland Hills, CA. Northwest corner of DeSoto and Van Owen

Quick Trip *Updated 2/08/07
596 N Mollison Ave El Cajon, CA 92021
(619)441-3340
100 octane pump gas for $6.99/per gallon.

O.C. Motorsports *Updated 2/08/07
1901 East Edinger Ave. Santa Ana, CA 92705
(714)429-9200
107 LEADED VP Race Fuel $44.00/per 5 gallon containers ONLY.

Chevron Station? *Updated 1/17/08
3804 Ingraham St. San Diego, CA 92109
100 octane VP Racing Gas at the pump. $7.29 a gallon

 

[jimmydean]

Damn, I wish it was that easy to find Biodiesel. Looks like I will be running a lot of dino on my trip this weekend.

 

[Thaloc]

I run 93. But more importantly I run 93 octane that contains no ethanol. Almost ALL name brand gas stations you go to run up to 10% ethanol in all their fuel. Look around next time you go to fill up, some states make them post it.

I almost always fill up at a local mom and pops gas station here in town that refuses to pump ethanol in their gas. They also sell 102 unleaded(i think) and 110 leaded. Ask around u might find one yourself =P . But as said above unless my bike was pinging, or tuned for it, I wouldn't put that in.

On a side note, I was talking to a local guy who has his own Dyno, and he told me something I had never heard before. He says that new bikes are "Ping proof" as long as u dont change the spark plug wires. Something about sensors there that the bike can detect the ping and respond with correcting the timing automatically. Anyone else heard this?

 

[Midnight82]

I can get 110 octane a block away from where I work. But it's like $6/gallon.
I haven't brought myself to fill up at that rate. But I'd like to give it a shot.

 

[Das Bolt]

If the octane only causes the fuel to burn more slowly,does that mean that there is no power to be gained by running a higher octane than your engine is tuned for? And could power be improved by running the lowest octane that the engine would tolerate? Faster burn=more power but higher heat? Slower burn less heat.Or am I just way off?

 

[kajer]

oka, I ran 110 octane in my honda crx race car, I tuned the timing and fuel pressure etc. for the best performance. High octane burns slower, but more complete. It only helps if your tuned for it.

I think Thaloc has the best argument for running a specialty octane. Ethanol.

**** Ethanol.

I was getting 38-40 highway MPG in my commuter car a few years ago, and that was at 70-80mph average. When california started adding ethanol, my mileage dropped down to 32-35mpg... something about environment?

How can it be good for the environment if its causing me to burn MORE fuel to go the same distance?

When I ride down to dave_xb12r's place, for the motoGP weekend, I will be running straight 94 octane. I will post my mileage results here.


I usually use unical 76's 91 and get ~130 miles before my fuel light.

 

[jimmydean]

I dont mind ethenol because the 10% that is in the pumps here in oregon is made in oregon. So I might get less mpg, but its 10% domestic fuel.

 

[teh Nub]

If the octane only causes the fuel to burn more slowly,does that mean that there is no power to be gained by running a higher octane than your engine is tuned for? And could power be improved by running the lowest octane that the engine would tolerate? Faster burn=more power but higher heat? Slower burn less heat.Or am I just way off?

It's not so much that it burns slowly as much as it's resistance to burn under higher temperature and pressure conditions. The resistance to burn prevents the fuel igniting before the spark plug sparks and the piston, valves, etc are in the correct position for combustion. Since it has a greater resistance to burn, running 110 in your engine designed for 93 will not burn all the fuel leaving deposits of unburnt fuel. You are correct in your assumption of using the lowest octane fuel tolerable to prevent knock. That is where the most power will be seen...