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I think it runs lean ?!

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akela

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Hi everybody, I think my bike runs lean. Its '09 XB9SX, bike is stock except for K&N filter and RSS. Well the thing is that after each ride the fan kicks in, even only after 10min fan would kick in once the bike is shut off. I added RSS but no difference, even in cool weather where you would think it would be cool enough for engine be cooled off by the air, fan is kicking in.
Maybe uploading a race map would help and if someone could tell me how to do that I would be grateful. I do have the ECM cable

Here she is btw :)

Thanks
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I thought it was pretty cool being 53F, but fan still kicked in...[confused] Maybe it's not cool enough ?
 
Welcome to the Forum., the EPA for Idling Standards and Testing have the last word on the Lean Conditions set for Any Engine on a Bike. OR it can not be sold in America. It is normal and it is Necessary otherwise the Engine would Flood easily and not start. More on that another time.
You have a Air Cooled Engine the Fan will come on when the Temp., Sensor is called for the Fan to run does not matter how long you run the engine 10/ mins., OR it could be sitting out in the Sun in a hotter than usual day for a couple of hours and You Say start it and ride it a whopping 2 to 4 minutes and the fan will come on. The Fan is a 2 speed and will most likely kick up to High Speed very Quickly from the low speed. The Fan will also come on while riding on Low you won't hear it most times. Theses and many other Air Cooled Engines get up to 300 to 400 Degrees. It Could be 20 Degrees outside and if you rode it for a short amount of time the Fan will still come on. I would be more worried if the fan didn't come on after a ride. That Said (nice bike)
Make sure to Reset the TPS once in a while with the Key Turn and Throttle Twisting method. The TPS (Throttle Position Reset) is easy to do and you can find it here on the Forum.
The 2008 through 2010 Bikes have the Easy TPS reset Method., the 2007s on Back need a Meter or a Computer. You can also use the Data Port Plug to use Terminals 1 & 2. and count the Blinks for Diagnous of any problems. Since you have a newer Bike, It would be a good Idea to get yourself a manual for the bike so as to familiarize with some of the differences the Buells have from other Buell bikes and there is also Older bike Manuals at the Top of this page.
Those Manuals can help you but there are several changes per year so you need to make sure to study up a bit on your year of bike, Posting on the Forum is also a good way as well. Enjoy knowing you have a great bike that is fun to ride and great in the Corners. The bike has good TorQue and many Members here on the Forum will tell you It's not about top end with an XB model Bike it is about fun and great handling. Anybody can Ride Fast in a Straight line.!
Amsoil 20/50 or 20/60 works well in the Engine or Transmission and helps with the Heat Issues. Good Maintenance is key to a good running bike. . Ride Safe. *Jimi
 
[up]Yeah, what he said. Kudos Jimi, most people would not go out of there way with such a detailed welcome and explanation. Not my thread but I must say, well said.
 
Jimi, thanks for the warm welcome :). I know that Buells are not for everyone, but I fell in love with it from the first time I saw it. I'm not after the top end speed, I like that bike is different than all other bikes and I get so much attention from other bikers when at local meet ups [up]. I try to do all the work myself, changed oil, spark plugs, did TPS reset...
Well I guess I'll start worrying then if the fan won't kick in ;)
 
akela: it is normal. i own a 2007 XB12 SS with RSS, synthetic oil, hawk muffler, 2000 miles on it. on a 60 degree day after a 15 minute ride the fan activates at shut-down. high speed for approx. 3 seconds....then low speed for approx. 10 seconds. nature of the beast as it is the programming in the ecm. since you have the obvious mechanical aptitude for it just take a 10 mile ride, return home and immediately shut off bike. wait till parts are sufficiently cool to the touch and remove just the front spark plug and view it. you'll find your bike is not running "lean" as you suspected.
 
Well, mine runs on low speed for a good minute or two after couple seconds of high speed. I'll try to remove front spark plug per your instruction and will report what I'll find. And I hope you're right and this is normal. Thanks for all the input [up]
 
Our bikes run lean (for air cooled motors) from the factory to meet EPA emission standards. You can tune it to run richer or live with it. Enriching the AFR (air-fuel ratio) will result in a noticeable reduction in temps. As such your fan will run less. Don't waste your time pulling the spark plug. LOL. You can either live with the heat or tune it richer to lower temps. Of course for off-road use only. ;) Harley riders can attest to the heat and it is a primary complaint with the 2006 EPA Standards change and air cooled motors.
 
Well the heat doesn't bother me as long as this is fine with the engine. I just didn't want to damage the engine, that was my only concern... But since you guys are saying that this is normal then I won't have to worry about it and just enjoy driving :).
Thanks everyone [up]
 
Our bikes run lean (for air cooled motors) from the factory to meet EPA emission standards.
will this bullshit ever end? buells do not run lean and they would not meet epa standards if they would.
 
Absolutely Buells run lean!

EPA emission standards (14.7 AFR) is lean for an air cooled motor! The only reason we run 14.7 AFR is to get a complete burn of the fuel to minimize emissions. If you want to get super technical going lean beyond 14.7 can cause an increase in NOx but from an emissions standpoint 14.7 AFR is the best compromise between HC and NOx output. Ignoring ignition advance, cats, egr, etc, other factors that play into emissions.

For an air cooled motor best performance is around 13.0-13.5 AFR. Of course the exact AFR for cruise, WOT, idle, etc vs. fuel economy, emissions, performance is debated to death. Some will argue in the 12's, some will run cruise low 14's or even stoich. But as you reach stoich there is a marked increase in temps, decrease in power, and greater risk of pinging/detonation. Water cooled. No problem at all. We can shed the heat and dump it via the radiator. Every car on the road! Air cooled. Got air? Eric added a fan to help but you are cooking sitting at idle. Run stoich at cruise when you have the airflow and temps are right, but at idle, wot, heavy throttle, etc run richer. Listen to every Harley rider complain and moan about it.

Remember back when we all tuned with carbs and reading plugs. I bet most of us were running in the 12's AFR, sucking gas, and leaving a nice carbon footprint behind. Our engines ran cooler and had more power! Then EPA increased regulations and the push for EFI, Cats, EVAPs on bikes. Ok I am ignoring the EPA noise standards too but I want to keep it simple. We didn't lean the mixtures on bikes out so we could run hot, header glowing, parade mode, prairie dogging, fan blowing furnaces. It was for emissions! Keep our grass greener, ozone layer, and grandma's asthma at bay! Of course everybody complained about the heat and the aftermarket stepped up allowing us to adjust our AFR's to get back to a more comfortable ride.

But the point is that Buells are designed to meet emissions standards. And those standards are lean for an air cooled motor. Our bikes were built for performance. Performance is not stoich! Fatten up the mixture and notice how your bike runs better, more power, doesn't cook you! I know I am generalizing here but I absolutely stand behind my statement that our bikes are lean. Ask every person on this forum what their reaction is when they tune their bikes and add fuel to their maps. Throw in free flowing exhaust and intake and you exacerbate the problem.
 
What do you consider lean ich? Are you referring to anything leaner then Stoich? Max fuel economy? 15's or 16's AFR?

Do we have different interpretations of a term? I consider 14.7AFR too lean for an air cooled motor. What are your thoughts on it? What do you tune for?

On a side note I normally turn off the 02, stick a wb on the rear cyl, extrapolate to the front, and run in open loop at a richer mixture. I am actually thinking about revising the closed loop and closed loop learn maps, turn off closed loop idle, and see if I can idle richer and still save fuel economy in a cruise range on the expressway.
 
Ich....yes...stoich (14.7-1) IS lean. You will not make power at stoich. Is it OK at light criuse throttle angle? Possibly....even likely. Lawdog has this issue pegged to the tee....As far as the o.p.'s issue....I believe Jimi and Lunatic answered that to a tee as well. It would help if you actually OWNED a Buell and rode one also.
 
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