Muffler

[strawberrys]

All,
Vote please, Jardine RT1 or Buell Race muffler.
Thanks
Straw

 

[xtremelow]

+1 to the Jardine

But the Vote goes to Personal preference [smirk]

Nice Race pipe is hard to find and if you get one in good shape you are going to pay top dollar ($400+++).

You can usually find a used mint Jardine for $150.

IMO I would vote to the Jardine, actually sold two race pipes thus far and bought two Jardines

 

[dave_xb12r]

Facts:

Black bears are the best kind of bear. Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.

Jardine are 80% sound, 20% performance

Race pipes are 20% sound, 80% performance

 

[Johny Kidd]

My opinion: Definitely race pipe.

 

[bobaganoosh]

I loved my jardine when i had it, the carbon fiber didnt hold up and it cracked so now im running a magnaflow muffler and i like that even more

 

[BuellerPilot]

Jardine are 80% sound, 20% performance

Race pipes are 20% sound, 80% performance

NOT A FACT AT ALL.

You've got that Bass Ackwords. Have you seen the dyno plots for both systems? The Buell Race muffler has a GIGANTIC HOLE right in the middle of the power band. The only place the race muffler makes more power then a Jardine is idle to 3k. The Jardine kicks it's butt from 3k till redline. Go to amricansportbike.com and download the mufler shoot out.

~Mike.......

 

[Baal]

GB.

 

[WALLSXB]

If you go Jardine, be prepaired to go deaf !!! HUH ? Couldn't hear ya !!![up]

 

[bobaganoosh]

its loud but it aint that bad

 

[strawberrys]

All,
There is no way the jardine is louder than Xtremelow, old pipe. OMG this thing is so loud I have all my friends with straight pipes on HD looking at me. Then they ask WTF is on that thing man.

If you like Loud I mean my neightbors with HD 7th house down from me walks to the end of his driveway to look at my house when I start it!
Its just to loud for me TBH. Will end back up on Ebay unless I can find a Jardine RT1 to trade.
My wife did good getting it for me, but the supprise was to be found still.
Straw

 

[strawberrys]

Tbh,
X I need you to weigh in again on this one since I know you have Heard both side by side.
Jardine or your old louder?
Thanks
Straw

 

[xtremelow]

@strawberry- my old Cut up race pipe is much louder than the Jardine but has a higher pitch to the sound versus the Jardine.




Otherwise the Jardine is a bit louder than the regular Race Pipe, but it has a deeper tone. Which is what I like and why I am going that route.


According to the ASB shootout----
As far as the lag in power they both have a little lag the Race pipe hits it's lag at 4k and is about twice the lag the Jardine has about 5k. So neither is perfect. Another thing to note is the fueling, both have issues on the test so neither are perfect but neither is better than the other either.


XB9 pipes----

Race pipe: 13lbs, 120dB, 70.76ft-lbs-5600rpm, 89.35RWHP- 7200rpm

Jardine pipe: 9.25lbs, 123dB, 70.68ft-lbs-5800rpm, 90.98RWHP- 7400rpm


XB12 pipes--- weights and sound about the same.

Race pipe: 90.86ft-lbs- 5300rpm, 103.27RWHP- 6500rpm

Jardine pipe: 85.24ft-lbs- 4400rpm, 101.36RWHP- 6800rpm



So as far as performance to sound you get a little more performance with the Race Pipe, an a little more sound with the Jardine more of a 55/45 split, IMO not 80/20.

 

[strawberrys]

X,
Thank you sir.
Straw

 

[strawberrys]

All,
Ok I have tryed a few different things, and I'm not having luck.
So is there anyone out there that has a Jardine RT1 for a xb12x 09?
If its used its ok I would like to buy it. Is there someone that can get deals, I would rather pay someone from here what they want and they get thier own deal >. I see how much im going to pay on ebay and have called the store.

Ahh hell at this point who has one that I can use lol just to try it out and see it works for me.
Lets talk, State side only please.
I have a email to Hawk and hope I can get what I need, This will be 3 mufflers for my bike. I'm soon to have extra lol.
Thanks
Straw

 

[twobuells]

Motosport.com has Jardines on sale $284.99.

 

[strawberrys]

2,
Thanks.
Straw

 

[andymnelson]

Not sure if you understand decibel ratings or not, but the race pipe being 120db and the Jardine 123db....means that the Jardine is twice the volume. That's how that scale works- every 3db is double the volume.

As far as opinions ho...they are like a**holes, everyone has one. Since I have one (a**hole and opinion!), I think the Jardine sounds cheap, like the Harleys with crappy open pipes and like all the home hack job muffler hacks. I just don't like the sound. The P&A Race Pipe has a great sound to it, a great look to it, and I am satisfied with the performance.

 

[fwkapaun]

My vote goes for the Hawk! Randy is the man and for the money, you can't beat it.

 

[slamdunc]

Jardine RT-1

 

[bentlife]

i would go hawk are a race pipe i hate the way jardines sound and look. i had one on my bike hated switched to a drummer because i needed something different fast and for a reasonable price and that's all i could find i like it better but i would much rather have a hawk are a race muffler.