Need exhaust opinions

[LeFox]

yea, that's free spirits' version of the hp areo verso corse.

you'll need another belly spoiler with that one, make a whole in the oem one.

i haven't heard it yet, though.

the hp aero headers, i wouldn't advise you to put them on the xb9, since you will loose bottom end power.

 

[sinpieces]

I looked at this option once, but it's very pricey!
I was told the 48mm diamters headers was not to use with original cylinders (45mm's for original), only bigbore like 1430/1470cc. But those headers you look at, i don't know if they are the 45 or 48 mm version (they look the same)?
As Foxy told you, you have to rework your chin spoiler or buy the aftermarket piece in glassfibre to fit the Free Spirit choice. If you would go for a version with out chin spoiler, that looks very cool, clean and nice. Just beware of speed bumps so that you don't smash your end pipe. I made a nasty dent at mine, couldn't stand seeing that dent, so i bought a new pipe and that was not cheap
You should know that the Free Spirit version you have posted pics of here are made for race, so the db is probably high!
It's also a more heavy combination than the Tiforce.
Only the pipe weights 4.1Kg's and than you have the header and the chin spoiler to add.
Tiforce pipe (muffler) is extremely lightweight.
I don't know, if sound levels matters to you?
If you look at Termignoni (complete exhaust system with db killer) or Tiforce i believe you can get both of these within levels you can use them without problems.. Micron is the most economical choice but again, it sing louder.

 

[LeFox]

Free Spirit version you have posted pics of here are made for race

sin,...

the free spirits version is a roadlegal version with db-killer. it's the original hp aero verso corse that is the full race on which this one is based on, design-wise.
the free spirits one is E marked and sings at about 98db

 

[mrdozer2you]

I dont get it? Why do they have such laws about noise in Europe? It seems to me that the "fun police" are all over in Europe, taking away everyone's fun. [down]

At least in the States we dont have our rights taken from us. We GIVE THEM AWAY, one politically correct piece at at time [mad]

 

[Xcler8n]

LeFox I have a 12 so do I need to worry about the low end power? And so far Ohio doesn't have any yearly/biyearly testing as California and I'm guessing Europe does. I'm looking for loader than the Race Kit but it needs to be fuctional for daily use. 50 miles round trip to and from work.

Also, if I ordered those pipes it would be the 45mm version. They have 3 or 4 choices for mufflers but I liked the look of the front exit. Does anyone know if there is much difference. The descriptions are fairly vague. Still leaning towards the Micron due to price but still weighing my options. The couple of times I've found the Termignoni it hasn't been a complete set. the individual orders would put it around $1600 for the full set. Is that about right?

 

[LeFox]

we don't have anual or bi-anual testing either...but the north of europe is pretty strickt when it comes to the environment (not a bad thing though)

well, i don't know about this one, but the original verso corse was a good, pretty loud, low-base sound which, as rider, you could hear better because of the front exit (rider behind exhaust exit).
since this one is roadlegal, the sound will be less loud, though...

the 12 will be able to handle the 45 headers, although you will lose a bit of low-end, but it would be minimum. mid range & top-end will increase, but remapping of the ecm is required though...a race ecm will not be sufficient.

 

[sinpieces]

As long as you have the original 1203cc or even the 1250cc cylinders you will do very good with Tfi or Remus powerizer. As mentioned so many times before. The idea behind Remus is that it will "substitute" for a remapped ecm. You use original ecm + Remus. The Remus powerizer adapts to the modified air intake and the exhaust. To make things slightly better, cut out the white wire in the ecm connector (pin:8). This wire is only to block fuel in low rpms. With Tfi you could need a dyno to set it optimal, the Remus powerizer has a fast microprocessor and self adjust.
Also a waring light will illuminate in the dashboard when you disable the original exhaust, you can buy a "exhaust valve emulator" (not expensive) and the warning light will not illuminate any more.
If you want to add bottom end power, buy a primary gearing kit for the XB 12. Bike will lose 10% top speed, but accelaretion and mostly torque will increase. The torque increase you will notice and it's darn fun. I was told that the original ecm is better (than race ecm) to use with Remus or Tfi. This was obviously proved by measurement. And here the original ecm proved to give slightly more power, in combination with Remus and Tfi, than the race ecm and Remus or Tfi. But it's up to you what you believe in. You can use race ecm and Tfi or Remus, no problem. I have no dyno test to prove anything of this!
A remapped ecm is probably best, i do not doubt it, since it's optimized! But again, the Remus adapts to all your possible feature changes and is not bound by the mapping of a specific air intake and/or exhaust etc etc. Good luck... [up]

 

[architech]

What about drummer? I am considering this as viable option myself. How does the race pipe compare to the standard muffler in terms of sound?

 

[xb12sslong]

hey sin, thanks for all the info on your bike. a quick question though, i am about to buy the Ti force exhaust and the remus powerizer, my bike is an 06 xb12ss. are there any differences in your 04 and my 06 that i need to be aware of?

 

[henri66]

And what about this whole combination (exhaust, intake, powerizer)? Will it work with the latest 2009 ECM version?
I would realy be interested.

Thanks for info.

 

[XBear9S]

Silly me.
All happy w/my Jardine Titanium Slip-on...

Robtk! a.k.a. "Special K"

"Stupid is as gearless Bueller does"

--Forrest "Lightning" Gump

 

[LeFox]

And what about this whole combination (exhaust, intake, powerizer)? Will it work with the latest 2009 ECM version?
I would realy be interested.

Thanks for info.

there's a new powerizer out for the '09, so it should work

 

[maybebuell]

twenty five dyno runs to gain 2 hp....and theres a reason they show no torque...want to take a guess why......put a side by side dyno run with stock header and see higher tq and hp in lower rpm... where you ride on the street .... stock header is a faster quicker more sharp ride...the extra few hp on the top end kills your low to mid pulling power

 

[windyrog]

I've got the XB12X Ulysses with the Micron Serpent full system. It is worth having for the hydroformed pipes alone. It is totally stainless steel and looks the "dogs doo dah's". Yep.... go for the Remus Poweriser and the Emulator too.
You will end up with a bike that sounds like the cross between an old Sherman tank and a Rolls Royce Merlin Engined P51!!!! Oh.... the Hyperpro triple rate spring kit would not go amiss either.
It will have the grunt of a Pitbull Terrier ....and have the back up from two very well respected European companies. ( Now Dollar friendly).
I know that most of you postees are suspicious of stuff from the other side of the pond, so you really should get out more!!!!!
Love the bike.... if only because it's not another Japanese sewing machine.
It's got balls and following my Ducati 996 was always going to be a hard act to follow. Very different..... just as enjoyable. [cool]

 

[CoxyXB9S]

I see the pictures of that TiForce....If you are that blued on the pipes I would think that bike is running really lean.

 

[XBen12]

there's a new powerizer out for the '09, so it should work

would the white wire mod be the same on late o8 & 09 models?

and would the new powerizer be sufficient for open air box and exhaust mod or just exhaust?
looking into a 09 in the new year, do you think there will be software available to our market for the ecm remap in the near future?

cheers

 

[Deon B]

Hi Guys,

What do you think of this setup? We had to manufacture the box due to imports and the ZAR at its worst level for years.

We did the R+D and built the box from scratch, and believe me it sounds great and the performance of the bike is easily 10% + better.

We will give it a dyno run next year and post the results

 

[Furball]

hmmm, you guys have really sparked my interest with this powerizer thing, since i have neither the time nor the experience to deal with tuning a race ecm.

i have a stock 09 12R. I have ceramic coated headers that i bought from ASB sitting in my garage waiting for me to drop off my bike at the dealer to get them put on, since i dont trust myself to rotate the motor.

I will have a nice semi-used (1,000 miles) Latus exhaust coming to me in the mail next week from another Buell dude on another forum, and i was worried about the fuel issue, but this seems to be the perfect thing for me. I would rather spend the extra dollars then have to mess around with the mappings.

What do you guys think? I also have the parts (just haven't done it yet) for the breather re-route and plan on doing the airbox eliminator eventually. Exhaust and breather, then powerizer, then do the airbox?

thanks for the input.

sorry about spelling and grammar, today is my first day starting Mid-shift at work, and i am slapping myself in the face just to try and stay away.

 

[ChasCrewChief]

I have an 08 XB9. I made a F.A.S.T. intake replica with the K&N filter, rerouted the breathers to a catch can then added the Latus Muffler. I have not checked the plugs, But the F.I. system has not missed a beat[up] I have noticed that I am getting too old...The air box is louder (like a Blast on steroids) and the Latus is so much louder I seem to shift alot sooner just to stay under the police radar[down]. I have even added the "oldBuellrider" suggestion of adjustable plates in the tail pipes!
The bike looks great and sounds great warming up but I think I had more fun when it was new and reved up!
Of coarse there is always ear plugs..but I seem to loose them alot....must be the old age (52)

 

[LeFox]

hey deon...how are the dimensions and ground clearance?

belly spoiler still an option?