Ok, sorry for being such a lazy **** but I've sorta got a route for ya's. From Port stanley, east along the lake and make our way to Cayuga, north on hwy 6 to Brantford (very nice road) then sorta east over to Campbellville. Going by google it's around 250 Km, about 4.5 hours. Or we could go in reverse, I'm easy. Anyone else got a better idea so we can include as many people as possible? Still have no idea when either. Suggestions? Wayne