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scout1627

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I'm having a chronic issue with the fuse/relay block getting so hot you can't touch it which causes an intermittent and the bike goes dead...
Took it to HD and they did nothing.
I think it has to be a bad ground connection.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jeff
 
A few question, no ideas yet…

Do you have a DVOM to check circuit resistance and current draw?
When does it get hot? Key on engine off will it get hot?
If you are getting that much heat, I doubt if it's in a fused circuit as the fuse would have popped.
A dealer should have some indication of what is going if they experienced the problem, did they get it to heat up?

John
 
Jeff,

I have been have a similair problem. Traced to ignition relay. I cleaned both grounds in battery area on left side of frame and the one behind headlights/ on forks and replaced relay also added star washers to all grounds. It runs much smoother and will run smooth at 1800 rpm in 1st gear if I can hold throttle steady. The relays where getting very hot! Didn't check today after ride but will tomorrow and let you know.
I'm having a hard time understanding why they are getting so hot. I opened the bad relay and didn't see anything burned etc. The external contacts on relay seemed to be where I was having problems.

Vince
 
Well just went and checked mine its still getting very hot, so I tried a little experiment. Hooked up old relay to battery and charger and after about 2 minutes I couldn't touch the relay coil for over 2 seconds with out it burning my finger. Maybe its normal? Blew the fuse on my current meter or I would have checked that. I have a standard square relay from a car I'll hook up to battery tomorrow and check the temp. I'll let you know what I find.

Vince
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Well the square relay got just as hot when the cover was off and touching it. So I'm thinking the heat my be normal. I think my spade lugs where worn on the relay and it wasn't making contact in the fuse box. For 20 bucks I gonna replace them all.

Im trying to figure out how to remove the contacts in fuse box for inspection but have had no luck.

Vince
 
If I remember correctly the back cover of the fuse box pops off. Pop cover off and push all wires and connecters into place firmly.
 
Yea I got back cover off, I was wanting to remove each wire. The manual is pretty good at explaining how to remove pins from other connectors just not fuse block. I need to really take a look at it. For now the new relay and cleaning ground has got bike running awesome. The no start was defiantly not the grounds though.


I cleaned three grounds (two under seat and one behind headlight) and it still didn't start until I wiggled relay. I replaced relay and it hasn't failed to start once.

I guess I have officially hijacked this tread.
Thanks for your reply,
Vince
 
I saw in an auto-parts store fuses and they were bigger than Buell fuses but the amperage can be the same. So what is the Buell fuses size? Mini?
 
I have seen a bad relay socket overheat so well worth checking the fit of the female sockets for the relays. Once you get a resistive connection and high current it tends to be a self propagating situation that ultimately ends in failure. The resistive connection dissipates heat that can add to the problem by adding charred deposits and now you have a bigger resistor that dissipates even more heat at the connection and so on...
Look closely at the relay spade connectors - particularly the big ones that carry the switched load. Clean then with something like a small brass brush - don't lay into them with emery paper as that will take off any plating that is left. If they are pitted and burnt you can clean them up and if you are in a situation where you need to get it operational you could tin the male pins with solder but I would find the nearest bin for them where that is possible.

If the female socket is burnt / partially burnt you have to replace it - again you can scrape any burnt crap off and get a reasonable connection to get you out of trouble but the only correct thing to do is replace it.

Now, to get the female sockets out of the fuse block is actually very easy. The only tool need is a very small flat-blade screwdriver (the size you would use for the screws on reading glasses).

Step1. Remove the battery connections - the last thing you want is the possibility of shorting anything out as that is just asking for trouble. I just went out to the shed and took these photos for you and you can see I took the battery out altogether.
Step2. Apply gentle upwards force on the fuse/relay block and release the two plastic tabs circled - move them toward the L/H side of the bike.
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Step 3. With the fuse/relay block lifted up you can see the two plastic tabs.
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Step 4. Remove the bottom cover by unclipping the 4 small tabs (2 on each side) visible in this photo.
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Step 5. Remove the relays and then the red plastic section - carefully pry it up with the small screwdriver.
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Step 6. To remove a female socket you need to lightly depress the plastic latch that is easily seen from the top and with draw the socket by pulling gently on its respective wire/s from the rear.
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Step 7. You can now really test the firmness of the female socket action against a single relay pin and any overheated sockets will be very obvious once extracted.
I had a another photo of that but the upload limit is 5 per post.

Now, a couple of crucial points -

- it goes without saying that you need to be very careful to replace female sockets in their original position and I would advise only removing/replacing one at a time to minimise stuff-ups.
- none of these clips require a great deal of force to remove. Be gentle, if it does appear to need a lot of force it probably isn't released correctly so STOP before you break it and try again.
- again, I stress the need to undertake this with the battery disconnected.

These photos were taken of the fuse/relay block from my '06 Uly (it is out of action with a dead fuel pump so easier to get at) but looking at my '09 they look virtually identical in the way they are mounted.

The relays on my '09 are warm to the touch after running the bike for mins - I imagine the relay coil would be pretty warm to touch directly but I have never done that. Something that is overheating to the point of failure definitely warrants a close look at the connections for the relays.
The fuses are the mini-fuse versions - exactly the same as later cars.

Ray
 
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