weird Honda issue..

[Gloomshadow]

can I get away with spacers in there to send that wheel over a tad or should I leave it as is? I would think that having a wheel offset to one side would make it handle weird , wouldn't it?

 

[user_deleted]

tom: right below your hand is the caliper. that is the key. if the rotor is in a centered position inside the caliper all is well. if not something is askew. that is your clue.

 

[Gloomshadow]

yeah calipers are aligned with the rotors, rolling and braking is perfect. its the hub to outer rim depth... gotta add spacers. the hub, calipers and rotors will all stay where they are.. just the rim and tire will be sent over a bit and be in the centerline of the bike. This kit was a custom build.. I think they should have given me some spacers.. but it is safe to do that? will the spacers take the stress? It should huh?

 

[Gloomshadow]

ok guy got back to me.. he said measure it out and use spacers.. he said its fine to do so. The whole kit is a custom combo made up of all kind of parts from a bunch of different small motorcycles. he just said "make it work out" ha ha... the bike will never have more than 20hp so its never going to be under a ton of stress.

 

[user_deleted]

in a situation like this all the descriptions and vids in the world mean nothing to me unless i can physically see what is going on. having said that keep this in mind with spacers and hubs: with every bike in the world when you tighten the axle itself(all XB's) OR tighten the axle nut...it accomplishes 3 things: it draws the 2 ends together....it centers the wheel...and it clamps the ends to the inner bearing races. make sense? the clamping force is what compresses the ends and any spacers to the inner races locking same in place and alllowing the outer races/wheel to rotate around the inner races and axle. if you go adding any spacers they absolutely must be the same size as the face of the inner race or you'll have huge problems. don't know how else to explain it in print.

 

[Gloomshadow]

yeah I got ya.. spacers wont effect any of that on this wheel. the inner hub, rotors and calipers live in their own dimension on this kind of wheel.. its a 2-piece wheel.. I'm basically dealing with a mag-spoke that's been cut in half. with a bolt in the mag that holds the outer rim and half a mag spoke to another half of mag spoke that is part of the center hub.. I'm basically bolting spokes together and adding a spacer in the mag to send the wheel over about 1/4 to starboard side. hub and braking isn't involved.. its weird

think of it as a wheel that was cut at all the mags.. and then bolted back together at THE MAGS... 2-piece spokes.. look at it again youll see

the spacers WILL ONLY SEND THE OUTEr rIM AND TIrE OVEr A BIT.. the hub doesn't move at all.

 

[wickedchop]

Gloom after ya get it set and both sides are equal I would then measure the spacer thickness w a set of calipers and have a machine shop whip ya up a stainless set...

 

[Gloomshadow]

good idea.. and they should be kinda big.. a lot of surface area to make as much contact as possible.

 

[rchuff]

Tom can the rotors be switched from one side to the other? Might that make a difference or are they the same?

 

[Gloomshadow]

same.. whats different is that the kit was designed around stock steel outer rims.. must be different thickness in the mags .. ill look more into it later

 

[Gloomshadow]

this is what I did.. I measured it out and it was off center by 1/4in.. had some nuts that are that thick and the threads were the same and the were 13mm so I put longer 13mm bolts in the hub. then but 13mm nuts on the other side, then the rim , then nuts and it centered the wheel perfectly. So.. I'm using 13mm nuts as spacers.. that sent the wheel over 1/4in and it became centered. looks ok. its only a 100lb bike making 15hp.. top speed about 80mph. you guys think the wheel can take that? The guy who built the hub said it could

I'm thinking what happened is this.. most guys use 12 by 4 wheels as rears and 12 by 3in as fronts... I'm using 12 by 4 for both....it could be that the 12 by 3 had some built in offset to make sure the wheel centered. just a theory though..

 

[Gloomshadow]

solved it.. turns out the rim really was on backwards ... didn't think that looked right but it was.. ha

 

[rchuff]

Was going to ask you that because my buddies fz1 was like that

 

[Gloomshadow]

yeah it looked like they wanted those mags to go up and lock in with a lip on the rim for support.. turns out that that lip was the built-in offset that you needed to get the wheel to center.. the "correct way" to mount these rim looks "wrong as hell"... but it isn't! ha ha

now my tread pattern is backwards... ****! ha ha

 

[rchuff]

My buddy had got a new tire put on and they mounted the tire on backwards so the rotor on one side didn't line up right with the caliper.

 

[Gloomshadow]

yeah my rotors are left/right specific and so are my mag-spokes.. they can bolt to either side of the mounts on the hub but only one side is correct and the correct side doesn't look as solid as the incorrect side... its a 3-piece wheel.. two pieces to the hub and the rim and the spokes mount to that hub.. its a weird way of making a wheel..