What are the differences between XB12s and XB12Ss long?

[CamBandit17]

Are they different lengths? Also, are the power outputs of the lightning, and the firebolt the same? Thanks for any help. Steve

 

[CamBandit17]

Am I missing this info somewhere?

 

[gtp3800]

search lightning vs firebolt on this forum, there are alot of good threads. The output is the same, same motor, same trans. but different riding position, foot peg locations, bars, fairings, and seats. theres many more differences and similarities but roughly its your riding preference.

 

[Macbuell]

Correct. Different lengths. SS has longer swing arm

 

[CamBandit17]

Thanks guys, that's what I was looking for.

 

[winnetka]

Also, IIRC, the XB12SS has 2 degrees more rake which makes it a tiny bit less flickable and a tiny bit more stable, compared to the XB12S. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the case.

 

[frostedflakejake]

SS also carries more fuel. .4 gallons i think

 

[dmp0001]

The SS is a longer wheelbase version of the XB series. It has a longer frame and swingarm. The geometry is a bit more standard and it has more room for taller riders.It does carry a bit more fuel and shares the powertrain with other 1203 buells.

 

[SonderMann]

I have tried to point some differences of the SS and S on pics.

SS has:
- longer Seat
- longer Sub-Frame (underseat rails)
- longer Rear Wheel Fender
- longer Swing Arm
- longer Belt Guards
- different Frame (longer I believe. Hard to see)
- higher Suspension

The SCG have lower Suspension and lower Seat.

If I am not mictaken the Firebolt is almost the same S version but with different Front Fairing (Mount and Lights) and Subframe (tail Section with seats)

 

[nativeXb12Rbuell]

here is some info i posted on this thread, differences between S & Ss


The Buell Lightning series is a family of motorcycles with a strong strain of American Streetfighter DNA. Packing a one-two combination of V-Twin muscle and innovative engineering, the Lightning is a motorcycle designed to excel in the real world, where torque trumps horsepower and credibility is earned on the streets and backroads.




Buell Motorcycle Guides

2010-Buell-LightningXB12Ss = The Lightning® Long XB12Ss delivers true classic American brute performance and the bold, edgy look of the original Lightning XB12S, with stretched chassis dimensions and ergonomics for more size, comfort and convenience. Supermoto-inspired long-travel suspension, aggressive streetfighter styling and American V-Twin muscle earn top marks for handling.

Dimensions =

Overall Length2 81.9 in. (2,080 mm)
Seat Height, Laden3 30.6 in. (777 mm)
Seat Height, Unladen 33.2 in. (843 mm)
Overall Width without mirrors4 29.7 in. (754 mm)
Ground Clearance, Unladen2 5.5 in. (140 mm)
Rake (Steering Head Angle) at Ride Height (degrees) 23.1
Fork Angle at Ride Height (degrees) 21.6
Trail at Ride Height 4.7 in. (119 mm)
Wheelbase, Unladen 53.7 in. (1,364 mm)
Fuel Capacity, Total 4.4 gal. (16.7 l)
Fuel Capacity 0.83 gal. (3.1 l)
Oil Capacity5 2.5 qt. (2.4 l)
Dry Weight 400 lb. (181 kg)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 850 lb. (386 kg)
Load Carrying Capacity 373 lb. (169 kg)


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2010-Buell-LightningXB12Scg.htm = The XB12Scg features a lowered suspension and seat for a lower center of gravity and a shorter reach to the ground with no compromise to handling or performance. Streetfighter styling and potent American V-Twin power keeps the aggression mean and low.

Dimensions =

Overall Length2 76.8 in. (1,951 mm)
Seat Height, Laden3 28.6 in. (726 mm)
Seat Height, Unladen 29.9 in. (759 mm)
Overall Width without mirrors4 29.7 in. (754 mm)
Ground Clearance, Unladen2 3.55 in. (90 mm)
Rake (Steering Head Angle) at Ride Height (degrees) 21
Fork Angle at Ride Height (degrees) 21
Trail at Ride Height 3.3 in. (84 mm)
Wheelbase, Unladen 51.8 in. (1,316 mm)
Fuel Capacity, Total 3.82 gal. (14.5 l)
Fuel Capacity 0.75 gal. (2.8 l)
Oil Capacity5 2.5 qt. (2.4 l)
Dry Weight 395 lb. (179 kg)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 850 lb. (386 kg)
Load Carrying Capacity 386 lb. (175 kg)


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2010-Buell-LightningCityX-XB9SX = The Lightning® CityX is an urban streetfighter designed to handle whatever the big city throws your way. The quick-revving Buell® Thunderstorm® 984cc V-Twin engine offers broad power to pull through traffic, while an upright rider position, wide Supermoto-style handlebars and intuitive handling help the CityX scat around potholes and dodge through back alleys.

Dimensions =

Overall Length2 78.2 in. (1,986 mm)
Seat Height, Laden3 30.1 in. (765 mm)
Seat Height, Unladen 32 in. (813 mm)
Overall Width without mirrors4 32.7 in. (831 mm)
Ground Clearance, Unladen2 4.35 in. (110 mm)
Rake (Steering Head Angle) at Ride Height (degrees) 21
Fork Angle at Ride Height (degrees) 21
Trail at Ride Height 3.3 in. (84 mm)
Wheelbase, Unladen 52 in. (1,321 mm)
Fuel Capacity, Total 3.82 gal. (14.5 l)
Fuel Capacity 0.75 gal. (2.8 l)
Oil Capacity5 2.5 qt. (2.4 l)
Dry Weight 390 lb. (177 kg)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 850 lb. (386 kg)
Load Carrying Capacity 391 lb. (177 kg)


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2008models-Buell-LightningXB12S = A direct descendent of the notorious 1996 Buell S1 Lightning, the XB12S is ready to unleash any rider's inner hooligan nature. The tire-twisting torque of a Thunderstorm 1203 V-Twin is paired with the athletic reflexes of the Buell Intuitive Response Chassis (IRC), a combination of throttle response, handling and sexy naked styling that is simply irresistible.

Dimensions
Overall Length6 76.20 in. (1935.48 mm)
Overall Width8 29.70 in. (754.38 mm)
Seat Height7 30.10 in. (764.54 mm)
Ground Clearance6 4.35 in. (110.49 mm)
Rake7 (steering head) 21°
Fork Angle7 21°
Lean Angle9:
Soft Contact, Right - 42°
Soft Contact, Left - 42°
Hard Contact, Right - 50°
Hard Contact, Left - 48°
Trail7 3.30 in. (83.82 mm)
Wheelbase6 52 in. (1320.80 mm)
Tires4 (Pirelli ®):
Front - 120/70 ZR-17
Rear - 180/55 ZR-17
Fuel Capacity 3.82 gal. (14.46 L)
Reserve Fuel Capacity 0.75 gal. (2.84 L)
Fuel Economy2
(EPA urban/highway test)
48/65 mpg (4.90/3.62 L/100 km)
Weight:
Dry Weight 395 lbs. (179.17 kg)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 850 lbs. (385.55 kg)
Load Capacity 391 lbs. (177.35 kg)


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2008 -Buell-LightningSuperTT XB12STT = The Lightning Super TT brings Supermoto-inspired styling and performance to the street. A narrow-and-flat solo seat makes it easy to move and set up for the next turn. Wide, flat handlebars provide outstanding leverage and centered foot peg placement puts the rider in an athletic position. The clipped, black cast-aluminum tail section shows off the 180 mm rear tire. White number plate side panels and flyscreen add a competition look, and are designed to be personalized and are easy to change. Fork slider protectors, handlebar deflectors, cosmetic frame protectors, a high front fender and headlight grille protect the Super TT from the abuse of the street. The 54-inch wheelbase gives the rider room to work, but retains that trademark Buell agility, while 6.25 inches of suspension travel keeps the Super TT well-planted on rough pavement.

Dimensions
Overall Length6 81.90 in. (2080.26 mm)
Overall Width8 32.30 in. (820.42 mm)
Seat Height7 31.40 in. (797.56 mm)
Ground Clearance6 5.50 in. (139.70 mm)
Rake7 (steering head) 23.1°
Fork Angle7 21.6°
Lean Angle9:
Soft Contact, Right - 44°
Soft Contact, Left - 44°
Hard Contact, Right - 53°
Hard Contact, Left - 46°
Trail7 4.70 in. (119.38 mm)
Wheelbase6 54 in. (1371.60 mm)
Tires4 (Scorpion Sync):
Front - 120/70 ZR-17
Rear - 180/55 ZR-17
Fuel Capacity 4.4 gal. (16.66 L)
Reserve Fuel Capacity 0.83 gal. (3.14 L)
Fuel Economy2
(EPA urban/highway test)
48/65 mpg (4.90/3.62 L/100 km)
Weight:
Dry Weight 400 lbs. (181.44 kg)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 850 lbs. (385.55 kg)
Load Capacity 380 lbs. (172.37 kg)

 

[SonderMann]

Very good job nativeXb12Rbuell [up]
Rep point for that detailed specs!

 

[HawaiiXB]

hey- will those side number plates on the TT fit other bikes, too? I think they look cool.

 

[mángi]

ok, really old thread but would be nice to get info if someone has, how much actually differs saddle on xb12s vs xb12ss long ? is it really that much bigger that you can ride confy with an adult passenger ? not to tour around the world, but from time to time my lady wants to ride with on mabey a over day trips !
have tried to find data on actual saddle size but not able to yet..

 

[mángi]

i've owned 4 of the Ss/lightning "long" models and they are nice, comfortable, roomy enjoyable rides. the basic ergonomics are the same as any lightning from the same year BUT they're stretched out, if that makes sense....and a bit roomier in both the distance to bars and foot-pegs. the entire bike not quite as cramped and compact as a standard lighting or cityX.
link below tells you everything you need to know.

https://www.buellxb.com/forum/showt...the-differences-between-XB12s-and-XB12Ss-long

great ! thanks for the info and link :up: Few days ago I drove far just to try out a xb12ss long. Discovered a nice big saddle and all. But a whole different problem for me was the ergonomics or geometry of the bike. I felt like sitting very much forward oriented position with low flat handlabars, lower than I expected, and felt like I was positioned above the front wheel in some weird way ! Hope u know what I'm trying to say but other than that , I liked the crazy bikes looks anyway. So now I'm wandering if risers and pullback of the handlebars will alter the riding posture feeling ? Can anyone pitch in who knows or done this with his/her Xb12s or ss ? thanx very m.