Scary moment

Back tire slid out while I was taking a turn while doing a canyon run this weekend. Scared the crap out of me mainly because the first thing I would have hit was the canyon wall. I wasnt even going that fast. No gravel either and road was in pretty good shape.

I feel like I should have more confidence in taking turns on my buell but little things like that make me not even want to try and push my riding and progress my riding skills. I dont want to ride like a crazy man but would be nice to push it a bit. I run my tires and suspension at recommended pressures. Should I maybe take a few psi out of the rears? Would that help me at all?

Sounds like there must've been something on the road that you didn't notice. The tire wouldn't lose traction for no reason.
This is why I enjoy riding with a group.as a new rider it's nice to ride back in the pack and let the more advanced riders ensure the road is clear before I pass through the corners.

I actually went back and checked the road because I was really angy about it Road was clean as a whistle

How do you ride with your feet on the pegs? Ball or arch on the peg?

How do you ride with your feet on the pegs? Ball or arch on the peg?

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always ride on your balls of your feet!

You ride on the balls of your feet just so you don't drag a toe when you lean. If you are suggesting that's why his rear tire may have slid out I don't buy it.

What kind of tires are you running and what size are they? The previous owner put the wrong size front tire on my bike and it would push the front tire a lot. It was not a comfortable feeling.

Or so your foot isnt covering the rear brake, and possibly dragging the rear brake.......

You ride on the balls of your feet just so you don't drag a toe when you lean.

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I would say moreso that it aids in shifting your weight around when your riding thereby allowing you and the bike to move as one.

Look at those who track or race they are on the balls of their feet to be able to move the bike around quicker with foot pressure applied via the balls of their feet, or that's what I was taught way back in the 90's at Shannonville Raceway taking the weekend long RACE course.
(jeez that was a few years ago...I must getting old, LOL)

Were you under power, decelerating or what? There are countless factors involved here.

Only other thing is wheel hop if you down shifted to far or to fast but doesn't sound like you were goin that hard though. As far as tire pressure goes there are several variables you stated that can change the pressure in your tires such as elevation of the canyons. How hot the tires are. And how hot the air is outside the tire. And road temperatures. Oooorrr you could of
Go e over the painted lines in the corner. Those are way more slick then people think.

Consider a riding course, around here theres "Team Oregon" and they have intro, medium and advanced riders courses, administered by the state and regional govt, prices are very reasonable.

theres also course availible as well as track days thru the local road racing clubs and several dealerships
(The ducati and Triumph dealers for sure,,,,but i hear Honda and others offer these)

The road racers want you to come out and race,,,,,,and will teach you everything you need to know,,,,, but it applies to the street as well but you learn on a safe controlled course. Well worth every penny, and worthy of your support.

Dont knock the beginners courses...Even experienced riders will learn something. I was riding for 20 years, then finally got my endorsement as the rules changed here in my state, plus i was gone in the military, my military drivers license had MC endorsement, but i was told one day......"Son, i dont think you are in the military anymore" So,, i went and took the course and got my endoresement on my regular lic, my wife went with me.

I barely passed the course as I had all the bad habits and had a hard time unlearning them, My wife as a Newby passed with a very high score.

A humbling moment. Trust me, even skilled and experienced riders can and WILL learn something.

Theres 2 kinds of riders on MC,,, those who have crashed, and those who will, a practiced and trained rider has a good chance of survival, Squids dont.

Locally theres a drivers course for cars at the Race track,, the local Police, taxis, delivery drivers and everyday people sign up, Its a modified skid car with out rigger wheels,,, the instructor has a lap top and dials in road condiions to the lap top,, it simulates driving on icy patches, snow, hydroplaning, flat tires, blow outs, and other scenarios. You learn to safely correct and handle each situation. I used to have a girlfriend who in a panic would scream, squeeze her eyes closed and nail the brakes. NOT GOOD!! So i signed her up. To this day she swears it saved her life 10x over.

think about it.

Did you chop the throttle or grab brakes in the corner? It was probably the rider and not the bike.. no offense intended.

I would say moreso that it aids in shifting your weight around when your riding thereby allowing you and the bike to move as one.

Look at those who track or race they are on the balls of their feet to be able to move the bike around quicker with foot pressure applied via the balls of their feet, or that's what I was taught way back in the 90's at Shannonville Raceway taking the weekend long RACE course.
(jeez that was a few years ago...I must getting old, LOL)

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Okay Rossi. You really think him being able to shift his body weight faster or not caused him to slide out? Im not saying you are wrong Buddha. That is good technique, but I will not say its a driving factor for what the op had happen to him. There is lots going on here and the OP has yet to even respond. Lets all chill the ef out, this is starting to read like a war of armchair racers.

I agree it was most likely poor throttle or brake input, or maybe just a poor model of tire. If its a sport touring tire its going to have less of a lean angle than a super sport tire.

probably hit a patch of sand/dirt/gravel that he just didn't notice. pretty easy to do at speed in a canyon run.

now you can say you know how to drift your buell

Okay Rossi.

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that's Mr. Rossi kona (j/k)


I'm far from being all that and a bag of chips just my .02 tho with the conversion it works out to be less then .01
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Lets all chill the ef out, this is starting to read like a war of armchair racers.

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and their OFF!
leading by a nose is john in his LazyBoy express, followed closely by Buddha in a recycled office chair and picking up pace in 3rd place is Internet Annoyance rocking a patent leather barca lounger!
oh t`s going to be tight folks as they round the last corner......

^^hahaha

Heyy I was just puttin my 2 cents in bein nice haha giving him some options to be like ooo yaaaa it could of been that! Or that! Hahahah you know the same stuff we all do lol

And ehh at least I was in the lead as I am very competitive hahah. Oo man. This forum haha. I love it

All great suggestions guys and I will look into correcting my bad habits for sure. Just some more info. Riding a 2008 xb12scg. Temp was 80 degrees. Elevation was 9,000 feet. Running pilot road 2's which may be a contributing factor as well. I know those arent race tires by any stretch of the imagination. I went into the corner at 45 in 4th gear and was pretty much coasting. I would say it was a bit sharper than a sweeping curve in the road No brake applied. I have hit my pegs\boots before on corners and that is a very sobering feeling as well.

I have been working a lot on counter steering and body weight and target fixation which has been improving my rising for sure. I know it was probably me as opposed to the bike that caused this but just was trying to look at all the possibilities starting first with the bike itself. I am always looking to improve and the suggestions help for sure. Thanks guys

Just to let you know when I was talking about the rear tire those are all variables that change second by second. Your tire pressure is always fluxuating because oxygen isn't stable compared to something like nitrogen.

And I didn't know this till this year but air can leak through aluminum rims. (Over longer periods of time like winter storage or something)

and their OFF!
leading by a nose is john in his LazyBoy express, followed closely by Buddha in a recycled office chair and picking up pace in 3rd place is Internet Annoyance rocking a patent leather barca lounger!
oh t`s going to be tight folks as they round the last corner...... 

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Too funny. Yes I read it in an announcer voice.

All great suggestions guys and I will look into correcting my bad habits for sure. Just some more info. Riding a 2008 xb12scg. Temp was 80 degrees. Elevation was 9,000 feet. Running pilot road 2's which may be a contributing factor as well. I know those arent race tires by any stretch of the imagination.

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A friend of mine runs pilot road 2's on his cbr and he says they slide a little when he starts to push them. Ive personally never ridden them so take that for what it is I guess. As far as technique take a class or at least watch twist of the wrist vol 2 or something.

I hit a tar patch 2 weekends ago. Lost my confidence for the rest of the ride that day. Weather was humid, mid 90's. It was a group ride so 1/2 of the other 12 riders lost their confidence a bit that day as well, crappy part of the ride we were on. All were sportbikes.

It happens. You will analyze it to death. You can talk to other riders, read books, watch Videos, but at the end of the day its about you, the bike and the road. My only advice would be to go back to the road at the same conditions and try it again.

-J[cool]