Help....

[SeattleBuellMan]

Riding home last tues. night, here in Greater Northwest (Seattle) I was riding about 10pm home going about 55-60. All the sudden my fuel light comes on and my reserve comes up on my dash and at the same time my bike dies. Let out clutch to try rolling start and nothing just kept bogging. Just fueled up about ten miles prior. I checked receipt for fuel. Put in super not diesel. Tried to restart and my fuel pump wont register when I turn on switch to start. Fuel light is on permanently along with reserve indicator stuck at 0.0. For some reason my ECMspy isn't connecting to my ecm for diagnostics. So while I trouble shoot that, I figured I'd pick your brains. When I turn key to on all my gauges function as they should but fuel light instanly comes on along with reserve. Turn switch to on to start and nothing. No fuel pump. No engine light either. Any suggestions or imput would be fantastic and much appreciated. Also added two low output leds for license plate. Wired into rear light. Just in case that makes any diff.

 

[Thorivola]

it sounds pretty much like the pump died or a fuse is done

the pump should make noise when you turn the bike on and the gauges do their motion, do you hear it? if not, check all the fuses and if no luck there it might just be the pump itself

 

[Supermanrider]

might be a fuse if ECMspy isnt connecting

 

[RichP99]

+1 on the fuse

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Checked fuses again in garage and turns out I missed the burnt out ignition fuse. Everytime I put a new one in it it blows again. Pretty sure I wired light up correct...short in ignition wiring?

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Taking fearing off to check ecm wiring...darn hope its simple problem.

 

[JOEL9]

what was the last thing you did to your bike? the led plate lights? i would check the connections really good before donig any thing else. wish i could be more help, i'm right across the lake from you

 

[brisbon]

Most freys i read are behind the fairing, trace the ign wiring look for shorts, search for wiring diagrams. Bike vibrates alot snd some wires are very poorly placed goodluck

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Yeah...spent time checking wiring for plate. Even unhooked all the wiring and still when I turned on ignition the fuse would pop. Gonna tackel front fairing tonight after work. Hopefully its right in plain sight. Thanks guys[up]

 

[Stevenc150]

The service manuals have wiring diagrams in the Appendixes section if that helps.

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Yeah have manual just having hard time finding short. No burns or melts anywhere. Gonna have to check ecm pins and grounds tomorrow. Diagrams are confusing to me so will have to seek help from a buddy or something here soon if I cant figure out.

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Well ended up being my fuel pump going bad and shorting out my ignition fuse everytime I turned ignition switch on. Pump is on same circuit as ignition. Anyone changed out a fuel pump before on their bolt? Do I really need to drop swing arm or is there a trick to it to possibly make it a little easier or a shorter process.?

 

[Rays]

Don't know about a Firebolt but I have removed the fuel pump on an '06 Uly a couple of times without removing the swingarm.
1. Purchase replacement fuel pump O-rings ( P0121.02A8 x 2 for an '06 X).
2. Remove left-hand foot peg bracket to gain access to the rear of the fuel pump.
3. Drain fuel through the drain plug in the fuel pump body.
4. Remove mounting screws for fuel pump / disconnect electrical plug for fuel pump.
5. If you have a fuel pump removal tool now is the time to use it. If you don't you can use a bolt screwed into the pump body and a large screwdriver sitting on a small socket placed on the frame as a fulcrum point to lever the pump almost out.
6. Support the rear of the bike on a race stand.
7. Remove rear wheel and belt.
8. Take weight of the bike on the muffler with a jack (good to have a friend assist here as it all gets really unstable at this point).
9. Remove lower shock mounting bolt.
10. Raise the bike a couple of inches to let the swing-arm go much lower than normal (if you left the belt on it would now be very tight.
11. The pump can be wiggled out (just) by doing this. You have to twist the assembly as it is removed - don't force anything as the fuel pump components are relatively frail.
12. Look very carefully at the wiring loom internal to the pump - there is a very good chance that the power wire has been rubbed through on the sharp edge of the aluminium bracket and that is what is blowing your fuse. You can replace the entire loom or repair the worn wires - I cut mine, covered the worn spots with heat-shrink and spliced again but if you aren't confident working with wiring you might want to take it to an auto-electrician to have that bit repaired.
13. You could also replace the entire fuel-pump assembly if you choose to do that - I would trying to source another pump by itself if it is actually bad.
14. If you have a lot of miles on the bike I would take the opportunity to replace the two internal filters (P0806.K and P0101.02A8) while you have it apart. Absolute minimum you need on-hand for re-assembly are the two O-rings for the body. Sometimes you can get away with re-using them but I wouldn't take the risk - this removal is a pain in the butt so you don't want to have to repeat it.
15. When refitting the pump you can use the mounting screws to carefully pull the assembly home - tighten them each a little at a time to avoid tilting the body while pulling it squarely into position.

PM me if you need any additional information - I have a picture of a pump with worn wires so you know where to look but I can't currently get onto ImageShack.

 

[RichP99]

Rays good info
rep for you [up]

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Wow thankyou! I will definitly do the work now...great help. I will pm you to pick your brain should any questions arise. Thanks again. I'll keep it posted! Rep point for sure

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Rays!!! My man you saved me some cashola big time. My buddy suspended my rear of my bike from the rafters of my garage and lowered the swing arm to take out fuel pump. Worked great. Turns out the problem was the wires rubbed through...not just one but three!!! Repairing in morning. Thankyou so much...I love this @#$#ing site....By the way the dealership wanted to charge 6 hrs just to diagnois!

 

[firebolt020283]

See this is why I love being apart of the buell comunity. It is always great to see people helping each other out.

 

[Rays]

Glad to hear to hear that the instructions worked out for you. [up]

The original XB's had a length of protective covering over that section of wiring and at some stage it was deleted - must have save all of 5 cents on assembly and a world of grief for lots of owners.

Love the idea of suspending the bike from above - much safer arrangement than what I did with the jack.

 

[Fock347]

i once had that happen to me turned out it was the positive wire going to the starter, it was resting agains the header and melted thru and was grounding it self out .

 

[SeattleBuellMan]

Mine was actually the wires on the fuel pump body. For some reason they put them through a little aluminum sleve that has really sharp edges. Fixed and putting back today. Did not put back through dog ear. Enough room to leave on outside of it. Only one store had darn o rings here in seattle for fuel pump. Will post some pics later...thanks again Rays!!! Think I've givin you few rep points but I'm so happy for the savichure of dough, here's another. Can't wait to ride and get my fix!!! Miss her