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jivenene

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Hey guys, I bought a used XB12S that has a K&N filter w open air box, and some exhaust mods. I'm just trying to identify what muffler is on this thing, and if it is set up correctly. The exhaust flap actuator is gone, and the PO fixed the cable so that the exhaust valve is maybe 50-75% open. If I try to rotate the exhaust valve by hand, it still moves a bunch. Should it be open all the way? I searched this forum but couldn't find anything relating to this or any pics of a muffler like mine. Here is a pic of the muffler. From what I can see inside, the last 12" or so it is just an open chamber with a metal grating around the inside of it. Also the tip is oval and it points straight at the rear tire, which seems weird. Check out the attached pic. Thx!

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Someone with skills home made that from stock. They probably gutted most of it, so the exhaust valve is probably useless now.

K thanks, that's what I figured. I guess I just need to play w the exhaust valve and see how the engine performs in different position of the valve. So far it seems fine, but I don't know what stock feels like and this bike has 5x the torque of any other bike I've ever ridden lol...

Related question, is there a way to tell if it has an aftermarket or stock tune? I just don't want it to be running lean, I heard bad things about that...
 
K thanks, that's what I figured. I guess I just need to play w the exhaust valve and see how the engine performs in different position of the valve. So far it seems fine, but I don't know what stock feels like and this bike has 5x the torque of any other bike I've ever ridden lol...

Related question, is there a way to tell if it has an aftermarket or stock tune? I just don't want it to be running lean, I heard bad things about that...

Get a Buelltooth and ECMDroid to check your AFV to see if the bike is compensating for a lean (or rich mix). Its a useful tool in many ways to keep the bike running its best. I've heard the Buelltooth guy has been making random appearances on the forum and can probably offer up some advice on an easy way to tell. If you get a chance, check out his web site at rev-mo.com as he has some good and interesting tech info about tuning and XB exhausts. I've bought product from rev-mo and they get a :eagerness:



I think I've seen your muffler before... there may be a thread somewhere out there showing it being built. Dont quote me on this, though.
 
Unusual exhaust to be sure. Theres really no way to tell what tune you have in it unless you know how to read a fuel map and can compare it to a known one. Too much trouble IMO.

If it runs well, you're probably ok. These engines can take a beating and have a WIDE range of acceptable tunes. I'm honestly shocked how bad a tune has to be to run poorly (on a well maintained bike).

I like that 34:19 guys idea to check out the actual running condition with ECMDroid, it is free:angel: He like taking Buells apart but has yet to finish one. Otherwise, hard to say... popping on deceleration is a clue it's a lean tune, but only means its lean on deceleration.
 
Ain't no modded Spec-Ops or any other POS.
it's the highly coveted and sought-after "SootMaster 5000" which was only offered in our Fall/2012 online catalog.
Featured our patented "Omni-Directional Carbon Blaster" outlet port which, if installed as per factory instructions, left a protective coating of carbon and soot on the oil line....tensioner pulley....inside right portion of swingarm. Collectors item!

FabioDriven
Owner/CEO
HellFire Exhaust Ltd, LLC
Boston, MA

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Haha... maybe it's hard to tell but the outlet points straight at the rear tire, giving that a nice coating of oil and soot lol.
Actually though, rear wheel and tire look clean, so the wind prob disrupts the exhaust flow before it hits anything? I dunno.

Anyway, it's def a stock muffler since it has the valve in it still.

Is buelltooth the only way to go, or can one use a laptop to read the ecu?
 
I'd say possibly a Spec-Ops modded exhaust.

Hey you might be right! I checked on the ecu last night, it was labeled , so I googled it came to another page on this magnificent site:

Y0180.10AH ECM, XB12 04-07, Programmed For Special Ops Exhaust 305 $244.00


So possibly a specops muffler!

Now my question is, will this setup be good for 0-9000ft? I live on Maui, and we like to do crater runs, which takes us from sea level up to 9k. Just asking because this is a non stock setup and I don’t want to blow a cylinder in case it can’t handle it and goes lean. Also, it has a K&N air filter for what it’s worth.

TIA
 
You could also look into the barometer sensor mod available on the Buelltooth site. Maybe the Buelltooth dude will swing by and drop some knowledge bombs.
 
Its fuel injected. You'll be ok.

K that’s what I was hoping!

However I read through all their spiel at rev moto regarding the baro sensor, they make a convincing argument... alll the fun roads here are above 3k ft elevation, and I’ll be pushing it a little. Is the barometer worth the little extra insurance? $70 is def a good price point! But assuming the current “race only” ECU is tuned correctly, will it run better at altitude with the baro installed?
 
The ECM 'tunes' itself by reading whats coming out of the exhaust (The O2 sensor). Reads the sensors, adjusts the fueling, reads the sensors, adjusts the fueling, in a loop, like a circle. A Closed Loop. About 20 times every single second. Because the the adjustments are made according to what the engine it putting out, they are all inclusive of air density, humidity, temperature, gasoline quality, engine condition, etc. Thats why Buells don't have (or need) a barometer.

This is why every single fuel injected vehicle for 40 years now, is built to work that way (CL). CL will always be more efficient (MPG), and it is safer (reads more variables), and will make more power in more areas (adjustable).

In Open Loop the ECM is blind.
If you inhibit the ECM's ability to adjust itself (Open Loop/ Speed-density tuning) you blindfold it to what it's pulling in or putting out, so it cannot adjust accordingly. *it only sees RPM/load, refers to the fuel map, and refers to RPM/load, refers to the fuel map. That theory could work ok (in the 90's) for single purpose engines, static RPM, or WOT only drag style applications in rudimentary FI systems that couldn't adjust as quickly as they do now. Computing power has exponentially increased since then.

If you eliminate the engines ability to see how its running you have to add a fuel map modifier for elevation as air density decreases (a Barometer). But you LOSE it reading everything else. So you have to guess with an accurate fuel map tune or overcompensate with a rich mixture. Speed-density tuning can get very close to being good, but without the ability for continual adjustment (20 times a second) it can never be as good as a self adjusting Closed Loop ECM.

*over-simplification warning.
FWIW Rev-Mo is a great site, a very knowledgeable company, and super generous with their Buell love. We disagree on this point.
 
Gotcha. It does seem like it should work the way the factory has it set up, otherwise there would be a bunch of blown motors everywhere lol... I'll read a bit more about it and make my own conclusion. Thanks!
 
Remember: Closed Loop is when the bike is in part throttle cruise (which is most of the time/regular riding) and needs to be the most efficient. CL "targets" the most efficient 14.7 parts of air to 1 part of gas (stoic). Clean emissions and clean burning. Mods don't affect this because it is still reading what comes out of the engine (regardless of mods) and adjusting for its target. Reads the O2, adds or subtracts a little fuel, reads the O2, adds or subtracts... etc. In theory, CL operation doesn't need any fuel map at all, it's just reading output and adjusting input to get whatever target output you set.

Remember the O2 is in the tail pipe, after combustion, so when the motorcycle needs power (more fuel) for big fast throttle changes like WOT. Things are happening too fast to wait to reference the O2 for whats already happened in combustion and adjust for the richer mixture you need for that power right now. You have to know how much fuel to put in before its burned and read by the O2. So if it can't use an O2 sensor, how does the ECM know how much fuel to give the engine?
The ECM ignores it, and directly references a pre-set fuel map. Open Loop operation.

The fuel map is a Load/Rpm map that is preset for the ECM to immediately reference at whatever Rpm/Load its at, when you whack open the throttle. That preset map is built by dyno testing the engine through the Rpm range at different loads and is adjusted manually for the bike to make the most power, 10:1-ish (note: NOT 14.7:1 part throttle cruising). THIS is the fuel map everyone talks about after changing their muffler. CL operation at part-throttle cruise is unaffected because, re-read that part.

OK Aaron!
With Open Loop Learn on, the ECM looks at the O2 sensor during OL to see what the engine is putting out. OL operation is still too fast to adjust like CL operation does, but can see repeated results and can modify the OL fuel map to be more accurate that point, so the next time you are at that point of the map (still in OL) it can add that little bit immediately from knowing its history without having to wait for a reading. Lets say you whack the throttle open at 3500RPM/ 90% throttle and it sees a lean mixture. It's too late to adjust input, so the ECM will add a little fuel to that spot of the fuel map. So the next time you are at 3500rpm/90% throttle, it will just refer to the now modified map and give the bike what it needs, from what it told it last time, still without waiting on the O2. The O2 is still reading an modifying for the next time its at that spot of the map.


Beautiful right? Why'd you want to handcuff such a simple system?

*Still greatly oversimplified. Some things are "wrong" but for off-point reasons. K.I.S.S.:p
 
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