Pre-programmed EBR ECM or THE TUNIVERSITY?

[azsnowboarder]

Hey everyone,

I have a '04 Firebolt XB12R with a D&D exhaust, breather re-route, and open air box kit from ASB. She runs perfect but a lot more lean that before. Now, I am trying to decide if I want to go with a pre-programmed ECM from EBR or if I want to go to THE TUNIVERSITY. They both cost about the same.

Let the comments / opinions begin...

 

[azsnowboarder]

Please let me know if you have good/bad experiences with either. Thanks.

 

[Miami78]

I had my EBR ECM die on me mid ride...turned into a paperweight without explanation. I was lucky, EBR took it back and refunded my money without a problem. Did the webinar with the tuniversity after that to learn to datalog and remap my own ECM...the class was very detailed but still at a level that someone with zero tuning experience could understand easily. I'm still running my tuned ECM and am very happy with it...I would recommend going with the tuniversity.

 

[CowboyKS]

Are Ebr race ecms better controllers (faster, finer mapping, etc...) than ddi3s?

 

[c818919]

Its an 04...not too tough to log and burn new maps.

 

[azsnowboarder]

Well c818919, I have never done that before and have no experience with mapping a bike. It is my first bike and I don't want to mess it up. Any suggestions/instructions?

 

[c818919]

http://www.buellxb.com/Buell-XB-Forum/Do-It-Yourself-Buell-Mods/ECMspy-megalog-tunning

Ask when you got them.

 

[c818919]

If I had to vote....id say the tuniversity

 

[jasonxb9]

I say tuniversity as well

 

[GOduc]

There's about a billion and one threads on this subject. Utilize the search box at the top left

Basically

Ebr race ecms are programmed with the hope that they run well with any bike in any type of weather. They don't know your bike specifically or where you're riding and how you're riding it.

The best thing you could do is datalogg your bike and make a race ecm for it specifically

You do this by

Turning off your bikes correction riding for 15 or so minutes. You'll then know what the injectors are needing and what they're calling for.

Ride you bike. Where you ride on a regular basis. How you ride on a regular basis

Two big things ebr ecms fail to do is take into account altitude and temperature which could alter you automatic fuel valve. Or afv. Ebr datalogs their ecms in Wisconsin on a 75 degree day. Usually. What good does that do someone who rides way up in the mountains? Or where it's really humid like on the coast of Florida? The answer is, it does you NO good. Ebr ecms are usually hit or miss. May run great. May run like *******. May not run at all. I've personally seen all three of those with my own eyes.

Afv should ebr 100% or as close as you can get. It will move with temperature differences. It will move with altitude diifferences. Although miniscule change in how the bike rides. It's difficult to explain what 100% afv actuallmeans so ill skip that. If you go higher than 100 you're leaning the fuel map. Or taking away fuel. If your going Lower than100. You're richening the fuel map, or adding fuel.

My point being. People say they got this race ecm and now they don't. Feel a difference or its running not so good. Plug it in and their afv is either waayy to high or way too low. My dads runs at 109 , race ecm. Which is lean, too lean in fact. I keep telling him to tune it but he hasn't got around to it. Ans this is a prime example of an ecm not beingg tuned for Texas weather, Texas altitude, etc



So. That's my two cents. If you want it done correctly tune your bike. If you're happy with the thought you have an ecm designed by ebr and it may not run as good as it could possibly, some people are. Then go that route

 

[theoctopus]

Thanks guys. Always feels good to hear support on this forum.

Allow me to weigh in: the two products are not wholly comparable.

The EBR ECM is a great plug-and-play product that may or may not provide you with the results that you want. Plus, you're supporting Erik Buell's work, which is never a bad thing (at least not if you're a fan of the 1190). At the end of the day, you could do a lot worse than using one: it's easy, it's relatively affordable, and it's readily available.

My services, on the other hand, are far more custom-tailored to you and your bike. They do, however, require quite a bit more work, so I understand when potential clients go the opposite direction and pick up an EBR ECM. At the end of the day, though, all the good things worth having require an investment of time and energy, so I like to think that I'm the better of the two choices (of course). I understand that what I do is not cheap, but my entire pricing model is built around the EBR ECM (but I did not follow their recent price increase), and I put in a TON of hours to make sure my clients are happy. Furthermore, with my higher-level packages, you're paying for long-term tech support, which is definitely a valuable feature.

Either way you go, I hope you're happy with your investment and ride safe!

 

[flaya564]

Tuniversity! He teaches how to make changes to your setup, when ever you need to. And he is always there to help you out. Not to mention, it's probably cheaper.

 

[azsnowboarder]

Thanks everyone! Much appreciated... I am going with Tuniversity once I have the funds.

Keep your eyes out for an email "the octopus"!

 

[theoctopus]

No rush, bud! I'll be around whenever you're ready.