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brakes are applied together, that's front and rear, never one or the other, you want effective braking - then you've got to use both...want to test it...open parking lot: mark your starting point, accelerate enough to get up to second gear, no higher, as soon as you get into second gear, begin your braking...try it your way, front only, rear only, whatever you feel comfortable with, after you've screwed around and possibly dropped your bike, then try both brakes...measure your braking distance if possible and see which was more effective, remember to look straight ahead and 4 fingers here...squeeze your front brake, not grab...firm, steady pressure on the rear brake, both 'til you come to a complete stop...let's not forget to put your left foot down when you've stopped:p

three things that will bit you in turns: inproper setup, speed and where you're looking...road surface plays a role in it too, but if you do the before mentioned, it's possible to save it
 
Is the second level of rider training (msa) worth going to? I don't think its free in pa but just was curious....

Also as mentioned above they fail you if.you don't use both brakes in the class..


Sounds like I have a bit of transition going from my rebel to my buell..... kinda of intimadating..
 
A transition from any motorcycle to a buell is an experience, a great one.

The point of my thread is so even "experienced" riders will learn something. And for the beginners such as yourself greasy, better prepare yourself for handling your machine. Ive been on street bikes for 8 years and dirt bikes before that, but through all the input and info ive recieved, im blown away by how much i didnt know. Im excited for my future rides, and what ill be able to do with my buell, its going to be like riding a whole different bike.
 
I'm still nervous (after riding street bikes for 10 years now) to trust my tires at high lean angles on public roads, ne pointers out there to help me over come this fear of low siding?
 
The high side video that Dingo posted makes me wonder. By the time you feel the bike standing up in that situation is it too late, or is there something the guy could have done to recover? It looks like he was initially headed for a low side and then cranked on the bars to point the front wheel to the outside of the turn. In a car hydroplane situation you're always taught to steer WITH the direction of slide until traction is recovered. I realize these are two totally different scenarios, but what should the rider have done to recover/minimize the crash. . . other than not adding too much throttle to begin with.

And what did this second guy do that made the rear end come around on him like it did?
 
From what ive learned through this thread and reading, i say that guy was doomed from the beginning. Poor body positioning, his centerline was higher than the motorcycles, too much lean angle, and he high sided because of his on off throttling. Is it accurate to say he could have recovered from the slide with a slight reduction in throttle not a complete closed throttle?
 
When you mention centerline, do you think he should have been off to the left of the seat?
 
MSF has the basic rider course and the advance, both classes are great...it all boils down to what you make of it, take away from the classes and apply 'em to your everyday riding, please don't get me wrong not preaching here, merely suggesting the classes, there are building blocks to make you a better, safer, alert rider...it also in my opinion makes you a better driver behind the wheel, think I'm more aware of riders out there when behind the wheel of my truck or wife's car cause of the classes

Buelly...I understand your fear and been there many times, it's a judgement call...road surfaces, conditions dictate if I'll do it or not, but then again sometimes my wild side peaks and do it regardless :D practice, practice, practice 'til you're comfortable with leaning her over, you can do this even at slow speeds to get the technique down...parking lot: envision make the letter "J" start at the top of the "J" , look, lean and roll through the turn once you've completed it stop using the before mention braking process as this will help you stop coming out of a turn in case there is an obstacle in your path, swerving can also help in this situation, assess how you did, was there something you could improve on, helps to have someone there to look over you or video tape the event...repeat it as much as you want 'til you get comfortable with it and repeat the exercise in the other direction as well, this will set you up for both left and right hand turns
 
Noobuell, on your video id say the cause of the low side was his front wheel, it was pointed to the direction of the turn.
 
Employed a lot of the information you guys mentioned in my ride today. Still need a ton of practice to break bad habits but when i had everything working right, its night and day on the confidence and how smooth my turns are becoming. You guys might have sved my life! [up]
 
what should the rider have done to recover/minimize the crash. . . other than not adding too much throttle to begin with.
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I seen 3 things that he did wrong
1) his tires looked new or not scrubbed in, Or he really doesn't lean the bike over a lot because if you look when they drag the bike out from under the gixxer he has about a inch to a inch and a half chicken strip on the right side of the tire.
2) there is no reason to ride the yellow line in the marbles on a turn.
3) this is more of a in line four thing he was way to high in the rpm's and if he would have just pulled in the clutch instead of trying to close the throttle the bike would have straitened out, or if he did it to late in the slide (about 50 degs) it would have high sided him.
That is why he had the rear wheel hop (skid pause skid) basically be was hard engine braking while in a slide.
 
Not to try to get my thread more hits or anything, but ive noticed a ton of new memebers recently and maybe this info will help them just as much as it has myself. Ive become 5 times the rider i ever was, and continue to improve on every ride and reflect back to this thread often to re-think my approach at a turn, ill be ready for a track day soon, and really see what my Buell can do, feel like i hold back un the canyons just because i dont wanna risk some one elses safety. Good info here has saved my ass many times now and motivated me to ride! [up]
 
I am a really new rider, around 6-7 months under my belt. I feel like I've come a very long way since the nervous ride home with my new cityx. I've taken two MSF courses also. I replaced my rear tire and I've only got maybe a 1/4 inch of chicken strip. I feel like I ride really hard and push myself the best I can with these stupid central NC roads. So my question is, what's the purpose of sticking out/dragging knee? I like moving down and in as I press the inside grip, but I've never felt like I wanted to stick my knee out. Maybe it's my lame-o local roads forcing my style. There's no real "twisties" with sharper turns that I could go slower and get the same lean. I pretty much have to go 80-100 to be able to get the bike down and have an exciting time.
 
I was looking at that video, beside not being able to ride, the dudes back tire kicks out immediately after he runs over what looks like a reflector. Just a thought.
 

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