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Tires, what are you using?
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Tbone
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I am on a 09 Uly and an 07 Tiger 1050 and know first hand the pilot Road 4's are what they are billed to be, but do not like the way they seem to push back when diving in the corners? Wish there was a tire that had the overall traction of RP 4's but cornered better. Is there a do it all tire, 2 up, commuting, thrashing on the weekends, and trips to Arkansas specifically for riding. Think I need a street tire and not a touring tire, as my experience with the PR 4 GT tire is that it pushes back even more than the standard version and traction is not nearly as good with no comfort. Limited experience with touring tires but maybe there are some out there that will work like the Angel ST's, Dunlop Road Smart's, Bridgestone Battle Axe's, etc..
rbennett2082
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I'm running the Metzeler Sportec M7rr's on my XB9SX have had them for about 1500 miles and they do the job very well in comparison to the stock Pirelli's which were crap. The M7rr's seem stiffer and take a little longer to warm up but once they are warm they stick to the road. I can only hope they will last as long as or longer then the rubber but we will see as the miles climb.
airbozo
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Dead thread redemption!
Now running Conti Sport Attack 2's on the XB, Pro Pilots (3 I think) on the S3T and Metzler 880's on the Sportster.
Those Conti's stick like glue on the corners. I get about 3k out of them (on my 4th set since owning the bike, but had a couple of nails). They break in quickly due to the manufacturing process. Not as much mold release and a rough texture help. I had the Conti Road Attack 2's on the S3T, but they wore out quick, especially in the middle, so I went back to the Pro Pilots. Not as sticky as the Conti's, but still confidence inspiring. The Metzler's on the sporty wear OK, but if I get on it, the 101TQ burns through the back tire.
Now running Conti Sport Attack 2's on the XB, Pro Pilots (3 I think) on the S3T and Metzler 880's on the Sportster.
Those Conti's stick like glue on the corners. I get about 3k out of them (on my 4th set since owning the bike, but had a couple of nails). They break in quickly due to the manufacturing process. Not as much mold release and a rough texture help. I had the Conti Road Attack 2's on the S3T, but they wore out quick, especially in the middle, so I went back to the Pro Pilots. Not as sticky as the Conti's, but still confidence inspiring. The Metzler's on the sporty wear OK, but if I get on it, the 101TQ burns through the back tire.
pthomas3166
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Michy's Pilots here as well.. I'm a cheap ass and didn't buy them, but they came on the bike and feel great. Under a thousand miles on em, but they've seen, rain, dry, dirt, gravel... Work really well.
MakingPAIN
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I bet money that water sipes and tread pattern will have more of a effect on wet weather grip than some stupid oversized rear tire putting down a bigger contact patch to hydroplane on!!!
BuellyBagger
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+1 on that! Where the hell did you come up with that b.s., TbAg? I've been running pirelli Angel st for awhile, great rain grip and stability no fear of passing on the interstate in a down pour.
user_deleted
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you'll never cease to amaze me with the garbage and BS that you spew on here. and i've come to the realization you're so delusional that you actually believe this nonsense that you like to gift-wrap with techno-engineer-jibberish. my only hope is that some poor unsuspecting soul on here doesn't take any of your advice and get themselves killed in the process.
Dobe1
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Fat Tire - performs equally well in dry and wet conditions, give it a try...
Read this article through http://4wheelonline.com/why-get-wide-motorcycle-tires.235963.0
It mentions about some advantages of fat tires including better grip on wet road.
It mentions about some advantages of fat tires including better grip on wet road.
rchuff
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where do you come up with this bull. good thing we have you on this site. know wonder your primary was beat up with that fat tire on there.
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MakingPAIN
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You post one article from a four wheeling site with one authors opinion on things he sources no technical info about. Those “opinions” he is stating for fact.. you know what dude I will stick to tire manufacturers specific applications for my tires.. I am sure next you will say slicks are great for snow and ice..
Cooter
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Lunchtime! It's time for your meds TP:sleeping:
Ok kids, I'll play
This is timely because 2018 is the 30th year anniversary of radial tires on production motorcycles! Lets all have cake!
Prepare for some foggy memories from your dorky uncle Coot
In the hey day of drum brakes, spoke wheels and bias ply tires, a 3.5" wide tire was plenty for a performance motorcycle, including the mighty CB 750. That worked until the undauntable Freddie Spencers 1981 Honda 500 HRC won with a Michelin radial tire (in the rear). He said “The introduction of the radial tire was the most important innovation of my career". Well when Freddie talks, you better listen. And they did.
Hello you gorgeous 1983 Honda V 1000R. That was Pirellis first production motorcycle radial tire and built specifically for that bad boy, but for Europe only (140/80-17 for the states).
Still in the good ol US of A, even the best liter bikes like my 125hp, 159mph top speed, and 559lbs(!!) 1986 Ninja 1000R ran a 150/80-16 bias. I remember the GSXR having 140/70-18's that year. Good God that was a game changer. Someone actually thought about power to weight ratio in a production bike. Why did THAT take so long?? In 1988 they all got 160/60-17 radials, wider still!
Ok, so thats highlights of radial vs. bias, it's pertinent because the different construction of the tires allows a different profile of the carcass. So notice how the widths are growing! But verrrry slowly. Decades even. The tires profile is also massively affected by the width of the wheel, so swapping a wider tire on a wheel meant for a narrow tire is doubling the mistake.
Currently 190mm is the widest (that I'm aware of) that you'll find on a bike meant to turn corners, not just turn into the local bar. It's not because it's a compromise, any MFG could easily go wider if it was a good idea, but apparently the additional weight, rotating mass, and performance de-crease is not something they want.
I'm only posting to let someone that could be reading this, and a little unsure, that without a doubt the single only reason to put a wide domed tire on your bike is for looks. If thats your thing, go for it. Otherwise, in every single other aspect, it reduces the capabilities of your motorcycle.
Cornering? No. See MotoGP or any other motorcycle racing. Marc Marquez can drag an elbow with a 64* lean angle(!!) on a 190-65/16.5 rear tire, I'll stick with what the pros do. If drag racing is your thing you'll use a wider/flatter tire for contact patch, but not a hard one like TP's. A wide rear tire for drag racing won't last you 26 thousand miles like he says his does.
Wet weather? No. A narrower tire has to disperse less water to resist hydroplaning. Traction is vastly increased by adding Silica to the rubber compound (started in 1990) but you can't get traction if your rubber is floating on water.
Braking? Your rear is only good for 10% of your braking, will a couple more mm of contact patch even measurably matter?
Longevity? More contact patch=more wear. Durometer of the rubber compound (treadwear) is what dictates traction vs. mileage. Besides, don't you want a tire to last longer only to save cost? Whats that wide tire mod cost?? ROI? not hardly...
"Smoothness"? Aren't all tires round??
The bigger rear tire will be heavier, much more expensive to modify (a non-OEM welded wheel scares the snot out of me), much more expensive to buy, kill your warranty (if you have one), harder to ride (ever seen someone turn around in one of those silly Hyabusas?? haha), will hydroplane in the wet (but that will also ruin the neon and the stereo on your show bike too).
Enjoy your tire cake!
Ok kids, I'll play
This is timely because 2018 is the 30th year anniversary of radial tires on production motorcycles! Lets all have cake!
Prepare for some foggy memories from your dorky uncle Coot
In the hey day of drum brakes, spoke wheels and bias ply tires, a 3.5" wide tire was plenty for a performance motorcycle, including the mighty CB 750. That worked until the undauntable Freddie Spencers 1981 Honda 500 HRC won with a Michelin radial tire (in the rear). He said “The introduction of the radial tire was the most important innovation of my career". Well when Freddie talks, you better listen. And they did.
Hello you gorgeous 1983 Honda V 1000R. That was Pirellis first production motorcycle radial tire and built specifically for that bad boy, but for Europe only
(140/80-17 for the states).Still in the good ol US of A, even the best liter bikes like my 125hp, 159mph top speed, and 559lbs(!!) 1986 Ninja 1000R ran a 150/80-16 bias. I remember the GSXR having 140/70-18's that year. Good God that was a game changer. Someone actually thought about power to weight ratio in a production bike. Why did THAT take so long?? In 1988 they all got 160/60-17 radials, wider still!
Ok, so thats highlights of radial vs. bias, it's pertinent because the different construction of the tires allows a different profile of the carcass. So notice how the widths are growing! But verrrry slowly. Decades even. The tires profile is also massively affected by the width of the wheel, so swapping a wider tire on a wheel meant for a narrow tire is doubling the mistake.
Currently 190mm is the widest (that I'm aware of) that you'll find on a bike meant to turn corners, not just turn into the local bar. It's not because it's a compromise, any MFG could easily go wider if it was a good idea, but apparently the additional weight, rotating mass, and performance de-crease is not something they want.
I'm only posting to let someone that could be reading this, and a little unsure, that without a doubt the single only reason to put a wide domed tire on your bike is for looks. If thats your thing, go for it. Otherwise, in every single other aspect, it reduces the capabilities of your motorcycle.
Cornering? No. See MotoGP or any other motorcycle racing. Marc Marquez can drag an elbow with a 64* lean angle(!!) on a 190-65/16.5 rear tire, I'll stick with what the pros do. If drag racing is your thing you'll use a wider/flatter tire for contact patch, but not a hard one like TP's. A wide rear tire for drag racing won't last you 26 thousand miles like he says his does.
Wet weather? No. A narrower tire has to disperse less water to resist hydroplaning. Traction is vastly increased by adding Silica to the rubber compound (started in 1990) but you can't get traction if your rubber is floating on water.
Braking? Your rear is only good for 10% of your braking, will a couple more mm of contact patch even measurably matter?
Longevity? More contact patch=more wear. Durometer of the rubber compound (treadwear) is what dictates traction vs. mileage. Besides, don't you want a tire to last longer only to save cost? Whats that wide tire mod cost?? ROI? not hardly...
"Smoothness"? Aren't all tires round??
The bigger rear tire will be heavier, much more expensive to modify (a non-OEM welded wheel scares the snot out of me), much more expensive to buy, kill your warranty (if you have one), harder to ride (ever seen someone turn around in one of those silly Hyabusas?? haha), will hydroplane in the wet (but that will also ruin the neon and the stereo on your show bike too).
Enjoy your tire cake!
wickedchop
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John I was thinking the same thing the other day on the axle thread. He is going to post something and some noob is gonna listen to him and get killed. He learned to ride a motorcycle in two days at a safety course, now he is holding lap times alongside Ian Hutchinson in the wet at the TT. LMFAO
user_deleted
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ya know wally.....we're on here because we love Buells....we strongly support the marque...and we help other owners/potential owners as often as possible. the gratification is in keeping the brand alive and kickin'. then there's troll-master TEABAG who runs down the brand whenever possible and bad-mouths everything Buell related. sick of it! think i'm kidding? click below for his latest advice to a guy in MI shopping for a buell. pitiful.
https://www.buellxb.com/forum/showthread.php?54488-Which-Buell-is-for-me-)/page2
wickedchop
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^^^^^^ WOW!!!!!! Makes no sense to me. He should just get a moped and machine a billet rear wheel that will accept a 330mm tire and he can be the president of the MOPAGANS!
