Trouble with wheelies

[vomitbomb]

I've heard a lot of talk about people being able to do roll on wheelies on the 12R. However mine struggles to even lift the front wheel a little going flatout. Other guys have said they have just put on a certain exhaust and then the roll ons were easy as. What's going on with my bike?

I had a termignoni exhaust put on the bike when I bought it no idea how good this is meant to be but I like the sound.

 

[dave_xb12r]

Are you remapped? Race ECM? Anything else done to the bike? Is it a 9 or a 12?

 

[vomitbomb]

Nope not re-mapped or anything, just stock besides the exhaust.. Yeah it's a 12R.

Wont having it re-mapped/race ECM void my warranty?

 

[dave_xb12r]

Some pipes can cause really big loses of torque. That's probably your problem. I've heard that jardines can make wheelying hard as well.

My dealership would rather me remap than run really lean with a pipe and intake. You should consider it. You'll get some power back and your engine will last longer(with a good tune).

 

[onelogue]

Get the RPM's up and bounce your bike a couple times with the throttle and your body weight then crank on the throttle. NO CLUTCH. First and Second gear are probably your best for roll on wheelies.

 

[vomitbomb]

Yeah I'm familiar with that technique, I normally don't have a problem with other bikes. Just wondering why it's reported as easy on other 12Rs. Mine is an 09 model.

It's not so much the fact it doesn't rip up the wheelies, i'm more interested in the power I seem to be missing

 

[onelogue]

Ohh gotcha! Cause yeah My friend has Yamaha 600 and he used to wheelie all day in my XB12.

Looks like Dave has a hang of this one. My bro has the Jardine pipe and since he put it on he has long an enormous amount of low end and he can't wheelie as eas as my bike. Your termignoni exhaust may be the factor.....

 

[vomitbomb]

Ah well, I'll get it looked at at the shop.

It's due for it's first service soon anyway.

 

[dave_xb12r]

Do you have the one with the valve? If so you shouldn't have any torque issues at all. What a nice pipe! Apparently 09's have more power output potential than any other year(not sure about the 10's) You just have to be tuned right.

Vomitbomb, where do you live?

 

[04Bolt]

For me.. if im in 1st gear and get my RPMS around 3k-3300 and kinda just goose on the throttle and kinda just pull the handlebars towards my chest.. my front end will come up without a problem. Im still completly stock minus being lowerd 2 inches in the front. Also, If im riding hard in first gear and shift into second.. My front end will come up there as well. As far as the exhausts causing any issues, Dave seems to be the expert there

 

[bajabomber87]

The torque losses arent enough to stop a roll on wheelie in 1st gear.

I have a Jardine on my bike and have no problem doing anything so many say it cant here on the board.

It WILL wheelie very easily in 1st. Its you the rider, that is the problem.

The bike should start to pick up at 4k rpm's. You DONT need the clutch to wheelie. 4k rpm's is the sweet spot for the beginning of the most torque in the rpm range.

Maybe its because I'm sub 180lbs but I dont even have to pull on the bars to lift it, if Im trying to pop it in 2nd then I have to but 1st shouldnt be a problem. One thing that helps teach you how to pop wheelies is to launch the bike from a stop light. Ive learned to be able to lift the front wheel from a standstill without even rolling the bike, just lift your feet on the pegs really quick and dump the clutch

 

[driftingswiftly]

How much would a tune-up like that cost? And what exactly would you ask them to work on? The only reason I ask is because I feel like I have lost a little power over the past few months too. I do wheelies a decent amount, but I clutch almost always. I know how to do them, but power wheelies are requiring more aggression and only pop the wheel up. Clutching is the only way i can sustain riding wheelies now, and only in 1st. oh yeah, i have a 12r.

 

[dave_xb12r]

JT&S charges $300 for a tune no matter what buell you have.

 

[driftingswiftly]

Is that about what a harley/buell place would charge?

 

[vomitbomb]

Dave_XB12R

Hey mate.

I live in Victoria, Australia. I have no idea about this valve you're talking about [confused]

BajaBomber97,

That's what I'm talking about, I really thought it would be easier to lift the front especially in 1st.

I meet people and they say things like "A mate had one of those, damn thing couldn't keep the front wheel on the ground.".. Makes me wonder.

 

[Kole_DeWoody]

I am about 200lbs and my bike does not really power wheelie much if i stay fwd on it. I have to lean back and sit way back on the seat to make it do it.

 

[dave_xb12r]

apparently one of these pipes is made for a 9 and one is made for a 12, the one for the 12 has a valve to replace the stock valve and keep the low end torque

 

[driftingswiftly]

Hang on, I think we need some clarification. To the people who are supposedly doing power wheelies no problem, are you talking about just popping the front off the ground a foot or so? Making the front wheel jump is trivial and unimpressive. I am referring to full-on ridable wheelies. I feel like power wheelies on a Buell are more challenging bc you run out of RPMs so fast. Unless you clutch or shift while up, I don't think they are very sustainable. That being said, I used to be able to get a few decent power wheelies in first, but the bike struggles more now...and I am only 145 lbs

 

[FATLOW1]

I was out riding this morning , having never had the front wheel off the groung before, so I decided to give it a try..with no pulling at all on the grips just cranking the throtle while rolling off from a stop sign, ( i was already rolling along)and the front came right up no problem..I do have the 12r with a race ecm and custom made exhaust with a k&n air filter...NOT MY CUP OF TEA MIND YOU I was just wondering.....