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The fact that people go out of their way to point out that the guy's middle name is Hussein just makes me laugh.
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sorry wrong answer !!!
thanks for jumping to such a crazy conclusion, like or hate him ?? no dont care for ANY politicain not matter who they.PERIOD .

simple fact is why it was all 3 names there, is because i did NOT know how to spell his name barrack so i googled it and simply scrolled over the name right click , then click copy then pasted it there.
 
Look guys I own two pits the most recent saved from fighters when he was 5 weeks old. I know it's hard to believe but some people don't see animals as such emotional creatures as the rest of us. I can forgive Vick. He is a great story of a dark path to fame and fortune and eventually his own demise. Yet he has returned a new man. (The prodigal son anybody? I'm not even christian and that story immediately comes to mind). They guy paid his penance which is more than most athlete criminals have done, he lost most of his fortune (nike contract hello!) and is coming back as one of the league MVP's. Stop hating on the guy and offer positive encouragement. If he wants to own pits again let him, they could end up the most loved animals on the face of the earth due to his new found appreciation for american freedom. go protest bull fighting or cock fighting in some foreign land or join the stupid hippies who fight mercenaries over whales. Yes I love my dogs! they are my other son and daughter, but for gods sake you gotta pull your head out of your fourth point of contact and accept that animals aren't like humans. they come and go.

P.S. Please dont respond with pics and vids of jacked up dogs. I've seen 'em. My wife and I watch the pitts and parolees and pitt boss and animal rescue blah blah blah. Not to mention I've been to fights when I was younger.
 
except that dogs don't have the ability to talk and tell us how stupid we are
thats my FAVORITE LINE AND SO VERY TRUE.

On top of all that, pit bull temperament has been tested to be higher than most dogs, and is only beat by a few like golden retrievers, and as far as the list of dogs that are most likely to bite, it's topped by dogs like chihuahuas, dachshunds, beagles, and jack russell terriers.
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to me humans come and go.maybe im jaded towards my fellow man.i know i wish i was 1/2 the person my animals think i am.outside of my wife and kids i have more respect for my animals than i do for people i know.that maybe twisted but oh well.i would still do almost anything to help my fellow bueller though.:D
 
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outside of my wife and kids i have more respect for my animals than i do for people i know.that maybe twisted but oh well.
i would still do almost anything to help my fellow bueller though.

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you said it brother !!
 
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On top of all that, pit bull temperament has been tested to be higher than most dogs, and is only beat by a few like golden retrievers, and as far as the list of dogs that are most likely to bite, it's topped by dogs like chihuahuas, dachshunds, beagles, and jack russell terriers.
ive been bitten by a few dogs but none of them has come at me and chewed the shit out of me like that little freaking poodle in 1985.[mad]
 
The other thing that always gets me is when people freak out saying that pit bulls can't be trusted because they were bred for fighting dogs for so long. True, they have a looong history of dog fighting. The thing that people forget is that just about every single breed of dog was meant to kill something. Labs are bird hunting dogs, wiener dogs were bred to dig badgers out from underground and kill them. Some of them were bred for herding or a few other random things, but most of the dogs they say they would trust their kids with over pits, would all kill something given the chance.
 
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that article contradicts itself on more than one occasion.

Proper training and socialization can make otherwise violent dogs, such as pit bull terriers and Rottweilers, adorable and gentle ones.

Here's a rundown of breeds that are typically gentle but can't shake off their "bad dog" image.

* Boxers are pretty good with kids. They are good watchdogs, but will only become aggressive

In truth, most pit bulls aren't really as aggressive as they're made out to be. They tend to be loving, gentle and playful. But there are some that have been raised and trained to be highly aggressive. Such pit bulls tend to be more aggressive toward other animals than people. Aggressive pit bulls often have a history of being abused or neglected, and getting trained specifically to fight. Pit bulls that have been mistreated are seen as being extremely dangerous, so avoid them. If you own one, treat it gently and lovingly.


and this was just dumb

Miniature Pinschers usually have aggression issues because they've got this "big dog-little body" mind set going on.
 
i was just going to post what it said about cocker spaniels and the list of various dog breeds that are considered potentially aggressive.

but i thought i would let other read it all...
 
Actually the dog that bites most people in the US is Golden Retrievers. Just out of the sheer number of them there are.

I love dogs. I hated pits when I was younger. It was the same stupid hate that people had for the Rots that I loved but I couldnt see it then. Then I met a good friend Josh, he had a half pit half sharpay, both notable biters. That dog changed me. He was one of the best dogs iv ever known. Josh had fought him way back in the day when he was also young and dumb, but Rollo didnt seem to remember, or either got all his aggression out back in those days, cause other than some small scars he had an awesome temperment.

Again. What we do to Cows, Chickens, and pigs is not better than what any dog fighter does, its just acceptable cause they are considered livestock and food. I have a problem with both. But I also realize im to small to change either and my energy can be spent in other more self constructive places than fighting the system. I hate Michael Vick about as much as I hate Tyson Chicken.
 
...Cats are nature meat eating predators turned domestic.

If you compare human teeth and stomach acid to herbivores you will find striking similarity. Next compare them to that of meat eaters and you will see major differences. Humans have not evolved as natural meat eaters. We've likely evolved so that we can eat meat to survive if we have to, at higher risk or heart disease, etc...

I dont hate burger eaters because cattle are raised to be eaten.
Vicks dogs were raised to fight. What's your point?

Vick will burn in hell

If you excuse his behavior..I hope you burn in HELL to!!!

One of us is more forgiving and more caring of animals in general.

I should also point out that I don't think hell exists. There's simply no evidence for it. So telling me to go to hell has a net effect of nothing.
 
Just a lil FYI (in asia dogs and cats are raised just as livestock here in the states to be eaten.)
Its all about mind set and the situation we may be in. Say stranded in a boat full of dogs and cats on the ocean?????? Many survival stories become subjected to people eating things they swear they would never eat- people,pets, etc. "if it can be eaten then eat it."
Thought I would stir the pot......
 
We rescued a pity girl back in Feb 09. When we got her she was very skiddish, and when you would go to pet her she would cringe with fear as if we were going to hit her. @ years later and we have this:

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She HAD to be abused by the way she acted when we got her. Now she is the biggest baby, and she could only hurt someone if she drowned them with her kisses. She is around small children ages 1-10 all the time and always let them tug on her ears, tail, and do whatever and has never once snapped.
 
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what we do to cows chickens and pigs is nothing like what dog fighters do.

Then you have absolutely no idea what we really do the animals we consider livestock in this country, it makes Japanese Whaling look like a boyscout trip.

Put a cow in a cage so tight that all four walls are squeezing it, then break its legs so it cant stand and build muscle, do this right after the the cow is born, and kill it before it makes it to adolescence and thats Veil.

How about a chicken house 100 yards long, 20 yards wide with no windows, no light inside, virtually no air ventilation with a sawdust floor. Then pack yourself 500,000 chickens into it. Granted you have to go in once a day to clean out the average of 5 to 8 dead chickens, if you can spot all of them under the mass of chickens.

I seriously doubt you have ever seen a pork slaughter house. Lets just vent 30,000 pigs a day down this stainless steel maze that dead ends in a 20'x20' room that 15 or so pigs can fit in, they wondering; "Why did we end up in this room" when WHAM one of the "walls" is really hydrolic ram and slams 15 pigs into in a machine that kills all of them not so instantly.

No Iv got a huge fucking problem with the way we handle our food in this country, a much larger problem than I ever did with Vick, cause im not eating those dogs. Again, what we do in those slaughter houses is NO BETTER that what Vick did to those dogs, they're just livestock. Take 5 minutes and look it up, it might suprise you.

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I dont think what Vick did was right by anymeans, but he admitted his guilt, was sentenced, did his time, and repented.

These animals WE KILL and EAT, have feelings to you know, just like those pitbulls. We as a society are no better than vick and his homies. Each one of us is linked somehow to the killing of innocent animals and you want to point fingers at 1 person and think you have nothing to do about it? Thats whats disgusting. We are so nieve. Atleast vick admitted his guilt and did what he had to do to be a productive citizen. We are still blaming someone else.

Get real folks. We are all guilty
 
I dont think what Vick did was right by anymeans, but he admitted his guilt, was sentenced, did his time, and repented.

I think the main problem is that his sentence was significantly shorter because he is a star.

And our views on animals are based on our society, so you can't compare what Vick did to what is done in china because he did not do it in china, he is a part of our society.
Sociology is very complex, especially when it comes to ethics, it's hard for most people to see outside their own ethical background.

The way much of our food is handled is disgusting but what these documentaries don't show you is how short a period some of these animals are in those confines.
I helped raise cattle on my grandmothers farm, you could take those pictures at her farm too, but you would only have about a 2 hour window to take that photo before they went back out to one of the multi acre lots.

If you realy want to know go look for yourself because even a semi skilled director can spin a story his way, especially if you aren't looking close
Ben steins intelligent design is a shining example of a one sided documentary featuring opinion as fact and out of context quotes/ imagery and carefully selected "experts".
Watch it while keeping in mind the whole time what is the other side? Is this a fair comparison? How do I know this is true? Did they choose a reputable individual? Is this an "ace in the whole" credibility killer (like in law where they have qn idiot come up to attest to somebody's credibility and in fact they destroy it)?
Even the history channel has become crap like this, blinders on propaganda.

I would rather catch and kill my own food, hunting from the ground not ambushing like so many deer hunters (no offense) but for many of us we must rely on mass produced food, this unfortunately includes animal products.
Too many mouths to feed and not enough space to create the food (grow process raise and whathave you)


Back to the topic, dog fighting in America is wrong, abusing a dog is wrong, sorry.
Does you food get abused before it hits your plate? Maybe but it's within the limits of the law, no that doesn't make it ethical but it does make it legal.
So define your idea of right and wrong before you judge another for his/her idea of right and wrong, ethics or laws, who's ethics? What societies rules? Ect.
 
Too many mouths to feed and not enough space to create the food
Take away the need for livestock feed and you've suddenly got more than enough room.
You want to clean up the planet, that'd be a good place to start. The amount of pollution pumped out and energy wasted by the livestock industry is ridiculous.
 
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