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Is an 1190 SX upgrade from 2008 XB9SX a good choice?
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CRSole
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So i have a question about 2014 1190sx I'm dealing on. Got this explanation:
"I meant to say that the dash has been updated and we replaced the ECU on the bike, making the miles say zero (sorry for that). There are 854 true miles on the bike, and it shows 854 miles on the title...."
Should this concern me? It kinda does a but they said they had like 15 EBR bikes, this is the last one left and this was the bike they took to shows. Seems like something hinky with every situation. However they did say that this bike has never been privately owned and still shows LAP as the owner, the liquidator that took over EBR.
"I meant to say that the dash has been updated and we replaced the ECU on the bike, making the miles say zero (sorry for that). There are 854 true miles on the bike, and it shows 854 miles on the title...."
Should this concern me? It kinda does a but they said they had like 15 EBR bikes, this is the last one left and this was the bike they took to shows. Seems like something hinky with every situation. However they did say that this bike has never been privately owned and still shows LAP as the owner, the liquidator that took over EBR.
CRSole
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It was a phone conversation where he said that some 2014 models had a defect and didn't increment mileage or something so they replaced the electronics. My concern is it means accurate mileage is basically not available to me; no way to know for certain. Convenient for a dealer but I guess we gotta trust somebody with these things. There's always risks.
I'll ask them again in email and post an answer.
I've not heard of ANY issues with 2014s not accurately logging miles. The dashes are crap, but that's not what your guy is claiming.
You could follow up with TIM at IDS - he's posted before about the time interval required that they set up for the dash to be mated to the ECM. My guess would be that they swapped in components and missed the time window thus breaking the link between ECM and Dash. The downside here is that your title is going to reflect 'not actual' mileage and that's got implications for resale value.
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I've been out of the loop on federal law for a bit, but historically, if you sell a vehicle whose mileage is known to be different than the dash (odometer fraud) and don't report that on the title, it's a felony (I believe) and the punishments are steep!
CRSole
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I'll have to mention about checking the law about that. It has never had an owner, just LAP.
I asked them to find out the reasoning for the ECU replacement. I also asked if they could write the reasoning up, sign it and provide at time of sale. This should be explanation enough for a future buyer...not there would be one for a very, very long time if ever.
I asked them to find out the reasoning for the ECU replacement. I also asked if they could write the reasoning up, sign it and provide at time of sale. This should be explanation enough for a future buyer...not there would be one for a very, very long time if ever.
Unless the title is branded "not actual mileage" I wouldn't be concerned at all.
It is a good bargaining point to buy it from the dealer cheaper though! Maybe negotiate a service agreement?
Too bad you don't have cash for the upgrade, and be able to get one from a private party. You would save so much $$...
It is a good bargaining point to buy it from the dealer cheaper though! Maybe negotiate a service agreement?
Too bad you don't have cash for the upgrade, and be able to get one from a private party. You would save so much $$...
CRSole
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Yep that was my thoughts about bargaining too. True, I am not the wisest about motorcycle purchases, but then when is it truly ever wise anyway? Haha
I've had 3 major surgeries in 4 years (which got me this interest), lost 3 friends in 2 years and last friend died suddenly of a heart attack (he rode a tricked out HD 48, R6 before that and still rode a motocross bike). I think I'm gonna just go for the gusto on this bike thing if I can manage it; cannot take it with me anyway, but damn I will enjoy it now. Maybe it'll go to my son someday and he will enjoy it too, or make some $ from selling it when I'm gone.
Thanks again for all the feedback and advice gentleman. I'll certainly let you know how it goes and post pics if I make it happen.
Bull****. If the ecm was left in the bike and dash updated, it would have re-paired with the ecm when installed back on the bike and power applied.
If the dash was updated, it will come back as blank or zero miles, so the only way they'd have gotten around that is to replace the ecm as well. Wouldn't matter if it's a stock or race ecm, as long as it was "brand new" out of a box, that's the ONLY way the dash could possibly show zero miles. I had that option on the last RX I rebuilt. Turned out it only had 16xx miles on it, way less than was thought. Had to completely replace the dash and repair the wire harness to bring that one back from the dead, along with a lot of other stuff.
Dealer in question does not know enough about that bike to be considered reliable for information.
CRSole
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So you are thinking they replaced dash and ECU to intentionally 0 out the miles or cover up actual mileage?
I am still awaiting an answer on why the ECU replacement. The salesman didn't know but said he'd find out. My experience has been that dealers rarely know much about a bike, car truck or whatever, beyond the sales brochure. They never seem to know anything technical. I'm sure a service tech. that did the work knows something if still there. We'll see. Maybe they'll surprise me.
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Agreed. Buy the EBR . If you have the cash get on with it . Man up.
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BOOM goes the dynamite. I think I'll buy an ebr too lol
No wait, maybe not
No wait, maybe not
rchuff
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I knew someone would make me laugh this morning!!! Lol!!!! :up:
Just so that my comment is clear - I wasn't saying to not get the bike. Rather, you better be getting a hell of a deal on a used bike that legally SHOULD have the title branded 'Not Actual Miles'. Both of these factors (primarily the title) should give you significant power in haggling on the bike.
If they don't want to move on price, let the nice salesman know that you've got the vin number and written communications that the ODO miles aren't actual......if they sell it later without correctly labeling the title they can get a $100,000 fine. That would be a pretty good motivator to get that bike off the lot for most dealers!
If they don't want to move on price, let the nice salesman know that you've got the vin number and written communications that the ODO miles aren't actual......if they sell it later without correctly labeling the title they can get a $100,000 fine. That would be a pretty good motivator to get that bike off the lot for most dealers!
CRSole
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You know what they say about opinions? Haha :black_eyed:
With all due respect, don't read or respond if you don't like it. I have gotten lots of great information from posting here. "Tire kicker?" Um no. I just bought a Buell XB in February, a low rider s last May, 3 dual sport bikes prior to that and an Iron 883 in 2016. I am an engineer and I would like to make an informed choice so I asked the other experts and owners here. The timing of this is bad for me but I learned the EBR's are rare.
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I agree, because they did tell me it was a demo bike. It seems like most new motorcycles at dealerships are basically demo bikes though. Anyone with a license who says they're serious about buying a bike can come in and basically test ride the crap out of it, and then not buy. I know when I test ride a brand new motorcycle I go easy on it, especially if it hasn't been broken in, but I cannot imagine that most riders take care with a new motorcycle. I did get on the throttle a little bit with the Low Rider S I test rode a year ago, but I didn't feel I abused it at all. Perhaps this is just my limited experiences at only 3 cycle dealerships though...or maybe I just emanate a trustworthy demeanor? Haha no I don't think so.
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Not sure what being an engineer has to do with buying a bike but.... do you really need your hand held to make a decision. T-bag is an engineer too. I rec you PM him.
