Is an 1190 SX upgrade from 2008 XB9SX a good choice?

[TPEHAK]

Quick answer is no, it is not good choice.

 

[CRSole]

OMG would you just buy something already! this thread has "tire kicker" written all over it. reads more like the dribble and diatribe typically found on facebook and all other utterly worthless social networking sites. .:mad-new:

You know what they say about opinions? Haha :black_eyed:

With all due respect, don't read or respond if you don't like it. I have gotten lots of great information from posting here. "Tire kicker?" Um no. I just bought a Buell XB in February, a low rider s last May, 3 dual sport bikes prior to that and an Iron 883 in 2016. I am an engineer and I would like to make an informed choice so I asked the other experts and owners here. The timing of this is bad for me but I learned the EBR's are rare.

 

[CRSole]

What the dealer should do is send the Dash to EBR and have the correct miles installed. Then sell it as a Demo bike.

I agree, because they did tell me it was a demo bike. It seems like most new motorcycles at dealerships are basically demo bikes though. Anyone with a license who says they're serious about buying a bike can come in and basically test ride the crap out of it, and then not buy. I know when I test ride a brand new motorcycle I go easy on it, especially if it hasn't been broken in, but I cannot imagine that most riders take care with a new motorcycle. I did get on the throttle a little bit with the Low Rider S I test rode a year ago, but I didn't feel I abused it at all. Perhaps this is just my limited experiences at only 3 cycle dealerships though...or maybe I just emanate a trustworthy demeanor? Haha no I don't think so.

 

[Outlaw]

Not sure what being an engineer has to do with buying a bike but.... do you really need your hand held to make a decision. T-bag is an engineer too. I rec you PM him.

 

[TPEHAK]

As an engineer I pay attention to reliability of the product. I did some investigation and found the EBR1190 has some reliability issues. They did not have enough time to refine the product. Buell XB has been produced for longer period of time and Buell had chance to fix some bugs on later XB models.

 

[CRSole]

Not sure what being an engineer has to do with buying a bike but.... do you really need your hand held to make a decision. T-bag is an engineer too. I rec you PM him.

This is turning into a teenage-girl-like banter with the negative comments stuff...

An engineer tends to look into things more than most people because we build things and want to know more about how things work. I don't know much about EBR bikes so I came here to learn more to make an informed decision like I said and get a feel for how some other owners have dealt with issues they find. Honestly though, almost anyone who cares about what they are buying might do the same.

I never asked for hand holding and not sure why you would say that. I asked legitimate questions about a motorcycle; not for you to go to the dealer with me. Reasonable questions that came up (not asking now, just reiterating why this can be helpful): How does an EBR compare to an XB? What are some known issues? What does the maintenance look like? Is 9K miles on an EBR high and what issues have people run into? How can and why would mileage be reset on a bike and why might someone replace the display and ECU?

Perhaps I should have just compiled a list of questions and put into one post? I guess I was thinking members liked talking about something they liked so I posted things more informally to initiate dialog to get to know others, maybe see some other cool bikes and how owners customized them.

Even if I don't buy an EBR, isn't this dialog about technical stuff fun for other owners and useful for other potential buyers in the future? Maybe I am in the wrong crowd? Maybe you don't want new people in your group? I never seem to fit in with most groups of people; I think that's another typical engineer trait.

 

[MakingPAIN]

Tpehak what your degree in? And I am not an engineer and I look for the same things in a machine. I don’t wrench on bikes for a living but I do wrench on cnc equipment all day. I would have to disagree with your statement on reliability. Yes not perfect but unreliable is not the word.. once again Any 180ish horse v twin will have certain issues. These bikes are running 13.4:1 compression with 60+ degrees timing!!!! As your engineer degree should tell you that is almost pro stock type numbers.. they get one pass per rebuild..

Start comparing apples to Apple.. not ebr to xb

 

[CRSole]

maybe you should skip the ebr. it sounds to me like this would be more your style
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Is that yours? Not into baggers at all man but that is a cool looking bike, ya know maybe if I was. Kinda looks like one of those big wheel trikes I rode when I was 5 haha. To each his/her own.

I think maybe I don't really fit into any motorcycle "style"? I am a barefoot waterskier who had to find other adrenaline-filled activities due to injuries. I started with an HD because I've always wanted one (ever since seeing Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man), but I quickly found I wanted something faster that could lean more than an Iron and I was fascinated with Eric Buell's story.

 

[Cooter]

That’s true. Most engineers live on planet aspergers, but some don’t:sorrow: FWIW, I wouldn’t have guessed you were an engineer, not that it matters

If you do your research by asking (the same questions we’ve heard repeatedly) instead of doing your research by reading will need to be able to take some ribbing. Nothing serious, but 8 pages!?!

Most of us Buellers are self-sufficient and are hands on as well. Consider it a right of passage.:angel:

 

[Cooter]

You’ll learn about TPEHAK:upset:

 

[Silverrider]

Is that yours? Not into baggers at all man but that is a cool looking bike, ya know maybe if I was. Kinda looks like one of those big wheel trikes I rode when I was 5 haha. To each his/her own.

I think maybe I don't really fit into any motorcycle "style"? I am a barefoot waterskier who had to find other adrenaline-filled activities due to injuries. I started with an HD because I've always wanted one (ever since seeing Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man), but I quickly found I wanted something faster that could lean more than an Iron and I was fascinated with Eric Buell's story.

If you arent getting a EBR , I am kinda leaning in this direction with the ape bar traction grips .LOL

 

[MakingPAIN]

Cooter- That’s true. Most engineers live on planet aspergers, but some don’t:sorrow: FWIW, I wouldn’t have guessed you were an engineer, not that it matters


haha i didnt strike you as a engineer?, bummer. cover blown.. :upset:

 

[MakingPAIN]

M.ENG.SilverRider....

you are now a engineer.. congrats:up:

 

[CRSole]

Stoich water-column measurements to decipher injector nozzle PSI serves purpose providing useful knowledge unlike your
rambling incoherent threads which teenage girls love mimicking when they frolic in the crisp fresh autumn leaves of October.
regards,
ich
Vienna, Austria

Says one of the ones adding to the teenage girl banter posts providing no useful information. regards? haha ok bud.

More useless information on the EBR with the odometer issue for anyone interested in the one at Bennett Powersports in Michigan (quotes from the emails I received):

"This bike was taken to SEMA shows by EBR. I purchased this bike from the company who took over EBR and it was bought with a no start issue and an odo disclosure with 854 actual miles. My service department determined the ECM to be the cause and in need of replacement. With a new ECM installed the bike starts runs and drives perfectly."

"1-5-17 the bike was titled@ 854 miles. Bike did not run -ecu changed and bike operates normally. We do have the original ECU that will verify miles when installed on the bike but will not fire up."

"Judging by the miles on the disclosure, odometer and overall condition of the bike it is our expert opinion that the bike had proper break in was taken care of and ridden normally."

"The mileage is stored in the ECU not the dash. The ecu was replaced. The mileage was not reset, that is not something that is legal or even possible. The dash was not replaced but was updated with up to date software which is a normal procedure and does not affect mileage. EBR does not add miles into the ecm, They advised me this could not be done . You stating wiping out miles to make a sale is a serious accusation and something we do not take lightly. It is illegal and something we would never do here. The title will state "not actual miles" We have been in business a long time and are well aware of the laws."

"We have explained mileage of the EBR and we have a disclosure for that. We know the condition of the EBR and feel it reflects the mileage."

Without driving +8 hours, looking at it and driving it I have no way of knowing more but the VIN is 546BBAG25EE.

I pretty much burned my bridge on that possibility to finally get answers. They wanted $8614 out the door days ago, before they even explained the odometer discrepancy. They won't budge on price and got bitchy when I even offered.

I will have to keep looking because they won't sell to me.

Thanks again for the information gentlemen. Haha I guess I'll bug out to avoid more "useless" posts.

 

[gdisaac07]

How about this bike? 800 miles on it and I'm still waiting on details:

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2014-EBR-1190-SX-5000442202

I bought my bike from them. They're good people. Hammer them on price though. They'll bend.

EDIT: Just read to the end of the thread. That wasn't so nice. They were good to me so idk why it went so badly for you lol

 

[njloco]

From your own words, " I just started riding 2 years ago and the xb is my first sport bike. I just want faster acceleration, not necessarily high speeds. I ride on city streets downtown, maybe 3 miles of interstate and a couple miles of city streets "
Am I missing something, your two years is less than equal to most on here that ride in 2-3 months of riding, the guy you flicked off above is one of the most educated on here when it comes to problem solving!

But good luck, your an engineer so you'll figure it out on your own.

 

[Mope]

man....tough crowd

 

[user_deleted]

Am I missing something, your two years is less than equal to most on here that ride in 2-3 months of riding, the guy you flicked off above is one of the most educated on here when it comes to problem solving!

But good luck, your an engineer so you'll figure it out on your own.

i haven't been sniped at on here kenny since our beloved FabioDriven was onboard. and as always i appreciate the kind sentiments.
this rambling, braggios, chest-puffing pointless thread seems to have developed a never-ending life of its own. if nothing else it's been mildly entertaining and quite amusing. it should have and could have read as follows and been wrapped up back on the 17th:

shopping for new or lightly used EBR. prefer SX but will settle for RX. good bikes? board members thoughts please. TY
"wonderful bikes....great motors....huge HP and torque....respectable aftermarket support....NO dealer support....appealing aesthetics....reasonably easy to maintain....no teething problems....plenty still available....$7500 will buy a sharp shopper a brand new one.....lightly used averages 20% less.....RX has punishing ergonomics for most....SX more comfortable....in essence the same bike....perimeter front brake sucks. buy one. you won't regret it.

"thanks much John. just bought one and picking it up this weekend. very excited."

 

[TPEHAK]

I would wait the new Buell electric motorcycle release. It is even faster and fits city riding range and definitely is going to be more reliable than EBR, and is is also almost maintenance free.

 

[Cooter]

Because a brand new Erik Buell engineered thing using brand new tech will be more “dependable” than you feel the EBR is?
You assume a LOT for an engineer.