Range Rover Runs Over Bikers

[snrusnak]

Logic continues to fail

 

[oh9bolt]

Logic continues to fail

Yup.. [sad]

 

[jasonxb9]

It really is interesting to see how different the opinions are here. Anyone that thinks what those riders did is ok, is a little bit nuts. Like said above, logic seems to have escaped a large portion of the human race as of late!!! Wow is all I can say

 

[djs2k2]

Can this post be hijacked. We don't know all the fact's, and that is a fact. So please lets not continue flexing our internet muscles, and talk about something else. Like how is my smiley face going to recover from this stroke [smirk][confused]

 

[Tbone]

Well I dropped my motorcycle in the parking garage at work yesterday. 1 year and 13K miles no incidents until yesterday. A car pulled up and my bike was in the lane, he could have ran it over or gone around it if he wanted to do so, but he stopped. He got out and was wearing a business suite and looked like he was in his late 60's, he walks up and says drop the kick stand and he effortlessly stands the bike up. Asks me if I am alright and says he used to ride an old Indian. Jumps back in his car and left. I have never met this person or rode with him, I may have seen him in the two years I have worked there going to and from the parking garage and that is it. Riding a motorcycle I feel there is a connection, a close knitted group of people that share the same joy. Just like I see here that there is a group of people that appear to like Range Rovers because of its ability to crush a few motorcycles and people, I will not be at your next rally. Hey if that is your thing, but I pray your not behind the next group ride I am in. Maybe I am naive and would have thought after being off a bike for 23 years that things were like they used to be. I guess I am old school and ride a Buell. Panic and fear cause people to act out, just like a rookie cop needs a wiser partner to put him in check, a good wife, mother, husband, brother, fellow biker, coworker, etc.. I would like to think I ride with people that have my back, even if I do wheelies on the highway, speed on the highway, go slow, cut someone off, run out gas, breakdown, crash, traffic may have to be stopped for a good or no good reason. Does that mean it is ok to run bikes and riders over intentionally?

 

[BuellsRuell]

Oh I think we know more than enough facts by now about this.

What would you like to know?? Perhaps I can be of assistance.

 

[09BuellXB9SX]

Murica?

 

[BuellsRuell]

Does that mean it is ok to run bikes and riders over intentionally?

If there are dozens of THUGS surrounding your vehicle and attempting to make you stop so they can beat/kill/rob you while your family is inside of it, then YES, it is ok.

I hope this helps!

 

[stopie20]

^^ My logic is this, if you use a vehicle to intentionally injure or kill a person it is no different than using a firearm. When using a firearm in self defense you are absolutely liable and accountable for injury to any person other than your attacker. In this case the biker that was was run over posed no immediate or life threatening danger to the driver and the driver should be held accountable for his actions.
"I was scared" is a sorry fucking excuse.

The whole situation defies any logic or what we consider civility in this country period. The bikers could have called the police once they were run over, yes, but you are assuming that in Harlem these are stand up citizens with a solid moral compass?? You are also assuming that the police would have treated them fairly after their first friend had been hit?
Then you have the guy in the Range Rover, in the beginning you see as this group of bikes attempts to pass him he continues his attempts to drive among them. Did the driver not realize where he was? Did he not understand that his only option was to slow, and stop to allow them to pass?
Two points.
One, if you cant survive among the animals, stay the fuck out of the jungle. I mean really, this was HARLEM, you aren't shocked by tourist beheadings in Mexico or Columbia are you?
Two, this sort of violent retaliation was a common response from bikers two decades ago, and whether it was right or wrong it kept bikers safe on the roads through drivers common fear of what a biker might do.

Bottom line, the whole situation is tragic, and no-one was in the right.

 

[s0dhi]

I would like to think I ride with people that have my back, even if I do wheelies on the highway, speed on the highway, go slow, cut someone off, run out gas, breakdown, crash, traffic may have to be stopped for a good or no good reason. Does that mean it is ok to run bikes and riders over intentionally?

Seems like the biker supporters are fixated on this incident from a motorcycle perspective.

So I'll ask the question... What if there were no motorcycles involved and an angry mob surrounded the SUV trying to get in and someone in front of the SUV was struck? Perhaps on a city street. Does that change your perspective any? What if you're in the SUV and a mob is trying to open the doors and get at you and your family? What do you do in that case? Keep in mind that, ultimately, the windows were shattered and driver dragged out and beaten.

I don't think that this issue has much to do with motorcycling at all. There were thugs in a mob disregarding the law and bullying someone. The fact that they were on motorcycles is a footnote.

 

[Theycallmecrash]

Hey! 2014 calendar is up!!!! Lets focus on that!!!

 

[djs2k2]

"BuellsRuell"
OK, so what truly happened that day? Where did your information come from? Is this a matter of fact or opinion? Did your information come from a bystander, were you yourself on the ride, a passerby, the family in the car that was attacked, bikers on the ride, or a news source? I will also say that I am not saying that anything that occurred here seems to be justifiable. Let’s make that very clear. I don’t know because I wasn’t there.

 

[djs2k2]

"Theycallmecrash"

Thanks for humoring me. Yeah I want to post a nice pic I have but its on my thumb drive at home so I will have to wait until I get there to post it. [up]

 

[BuddhaBuell]

hey remember why we all belong to this forum??

 

[snrusnak]

^^ My logic is this, if you use a vehicle to intentionally injure or kill a person it is no different than using a firearm. When using a firearm in self defense you are absolutely liable and accountable for injury to any person other than your attacker. In this case the biker that was was run over posed no immediate or life threatening danger to the driver and the driver should be held accountable for his actions.

Interesting post [up]

However the driver is still in the right. Think of it more like a robber breaking your door down at 2 in the morning, another guy follows behind him into your family room. The first guy points a gun at you. You shoot both of them. You are not arrested. The second guy only followed him in to the house, he didn't do anything, but you are justified to stop both.

 

[stopie20]

However the driver is still in the right.  Think of it more like a robber breaking your door down at 2 in the morning, another guy follows behind him into your family room.  The first guy points a gun at you.  You shoot both of them.  You are not arrested.  The second guy only followed him in to the house, he didn't do anything, but you are justified to stop both.

I see what you mean, but the guys in front of the SUV had only been obstructing traffic (from a legal stand point) where as the second individual to enter your home has done just that, entered your home and thus has become a threat. I would liken the biker in front of the SUV more to the "third guy" who is unarmed, standing in the middle of your front yard acting as a look out for the first two. If you, after downing the two assailants, exit your home, shoot and kill the guy in your front yard you have become the aggressor and have committed murder. You would only be exonerated if he had pursued you inside your home or charged you with a weapon.

 

[s0dhi]

I see what you mean, but the guys in front of the SUV had only been obstructing traffic (from a legal stand point) where as the second individual to enter your home has done just that, entered your home and thus has become a threat. I would liken the biker in front of the SUV more to the "third guy" who is unarmed, standing in the middle of your front yard acting as a look out for the first two. If you, after downing the two assailants, exit your home, shoot  and kill the guy in your front yard you have become the aggressor and have committed murder. You would only be exonerated if he had pursued you inside your home or charged you with a weapon.

The lines are blurry, but this incident seems to fit better into the classification of a Riot.

Under that definition, I'm not sure if the folks in front of the SUV are just blocking traffic.

 

[snrusnak]

The way I look at it, the guys in front were accessories, as they were helping the others try to hurt the man. They were purposely blocking the vehicle to allow the others to damage the vehicle and punch the window in the attempt to harm the man.

No matter what your opinion, I think everyone will agree the guys in front are complete morons. Who tries to stop a vehicle with a motorcycle and/or body. You can't win that fight.

On a side note, I got run off the road on my bike yesterday by a lady who was texting, didn't look, and didn't use a signal. This was on the day they made texting and driving illegal(found that ironic. also ironic that they made that a law since it's already illegal being that driving distracted is illegal...)

 

[BuellyBagger]

The answer to the argument boils down to the ten commandments: do unto others...
Maybe they should leave those up in front of the courthouse. Just a thought.
Or is that the"golden rule"? Either way you get the point.

 

[snrusnak]

I'm not a religious person but I'll second the "do unto others" [up]