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[squidbuellie]

hey wallsxb i hope that was not directed towards me..

It seems the people that have problems and issues with law enforcement are the ones that are usually in trouble with the law ! Just saying.

i am just making a observation of all the things that have been coming up in the news in the last 2 years not to mention the things that you don't hear about

blove:

I work in law enforcement and we're not all dirty.

one bad apple spoils the bunch. all the would be "good ones" tarnish there image by covering for the bad ones. more then likely another supposed "good cop" didn't step forward and say "hey that guys hand cuffed don't slam his head ageist the wall". hey captain, officer john smith violated this mans civil rights no it was a camera and a complaint. now blue love look in yourself and if you where in that situation what would you have done. you don't have to lie to me but.. taking a shower doesn't make you clean. i believe that when you all go through the academy you have good intentions but hell is full of good intentions.

 

[blove]

now blue love look in yourself and if you where in that situation what would you have done. you don't have to lie to me but.. taking a shower doesn't make you clean. i believe that when you all go through the academy you have good intentions but hell is full of good intentions.

First of all.... I have been in that situation. I work receiving at the local county jail. We get everything from overnight prisoners that need to spend one night in jail to hardened criminals facing third strike and will kill you without a second thought. The ACTUAL truth is that while their may be a "bad apple" (as you put it) in law enforcement, that one tarnishes the image of those of that do the right thing. Not the other way around. Try this for example, treat a cop with respect and you will get respect in return for the most part. Until you run into that supposed "bad apple." Now go down to any other situation, your local bar for example, treat the bartender with respect, you will more than likely get respect in return, until you run into that supposed "bad apple." Law enforcement officers are human just like everyone else. We all make mistakes. Second of all, my username is BLOVE. Not blue love!

 

[squidbuellie]

sorry blove for getting your user name wrong
but do me a favor if your going to try to manipulate my words by quoting me don't quote just what you think is the bad half to try to twist them to fit your needs then reword and repeat what i said

now what do i think of him as a person, nothing he's human just like the rest of us. would i ride with him probably not. i'm not to fond of the law and there double standards. oh and did i mention there dirty. just criminals on the blue line.

Law enforcement officers are human just like everyone else

First of all.... I have been in that situation

so you have stopped one of your fellow officers from assaulting a prisoner? then testified ageist him in front of a board? really? i don't believe you. that is why i don't trust the law.

 

[blove]

so you have stopped one of your fellow officers from assaulting a prisoner? then testified ageist him in front of a board? really? i don't believe you. that is why i don't trust the law.

Actually I have. Our facility I work at houses "ICE." If you dont know what that is then its Immigration Control and Enforcement. I cant go into details on the situation but basically 3 of my fellow officers, including a supervisor, had to use force on a ice detainee. The guy was fighting them, while in handcuffs behind his back. I myself was placed on 6 months probation for being involved in the use of force on the detainee, the only reason I wasnt fired and placed on criminal charges was because I stopped my other officers from going further than what happened. As far as the board, yes I did. Including our Warden, Chief and Sheriff.

 

[Dogwood]

You don't trust the law? The law is an ordinance. It's a written document. It's something you are told to follow. How could you not trust a piece of paper that requires you to do something? It's not the law you don't trust. It's a person you don't trust. Officers aren't the law. They are supposed to enforce the law. Sometimes you may get a few that fail to do that, but like I said, they're human. Not every officer is like that. If you don't trust any officer, I assume you don't trust anyone. After all, they're just like anyone else. Everyone has had their bad day and have done something stupid. Everybody has taken their anger out on another person weather it was violent or not.

 

[blove]

One other thing.... how come all the public hears about concerning cops are when they do something wrong? What about all the cops that save kids, women, and even a few men from dire situations? What about the cop that pulled you over and gave you the speeding ticket that you know you rightfully deserved? What about the cop'S that get all the drug heads, drunk drivers, and all around "bad" guys off the streets. What about those officers? What about the officers like myself that have to deal with these guys on a daily basis in a face to face situation?

 

[Dogwood]

Thank you for risking your life for us blove. I agree. Notice how we don't know a single good thing that the officer in the video did? He could have risked his life to save a family from a deranged family member a few hours before this incident and he might have still been on the edge from it. He still acted wrong, but we know nothing about the situation or the good things he has done.

 

[squidbuellie]

dude blove, stop while your ahead.. all you are doing confirming my beliefs even stronger.

I myself was placed on 6 months probation for being involved in the use of force on the detainee

which makes me go back to my original post

oh and did i mention there dirty. just criminals on the blue line.

and then when you got caught and questioned you manipulated it to save your own ass

the only reason I wasnt fired and placed on criminal charges was because I stopped my other officers from going further

again taking a shower doesn't make you clean.

 

[jaylightnin08]

Yea,someone fighting back in HANDCUFFS is a VERY DANGEROUS PERSON HAHAHAHA. They didnt show the cops hi five ing and smacking eachother on the ass after they dumped the guy on his face. It sucks that so few of police officers are fair, civil people. Most of em are power hungry adrenaline junkies. They are easy to spot though, most of em ride streetbikes sadly. I think cops should have a permanent tattoo of a badge on their forehead so we can avoid them even in everyday interaction, when they aren't wearing their "peace through SUPREME FIREPOWER" outfits. GOD I LOVE THIS SITE

 

[Dogwood]

So squid, who are you going to call if someone steals your bike? As dirty as all these cops are, it was probably one of them that stole it... Sad thing is that you would have to get a police report so you could file with insurance. Eh, guess you're screwed.

 

[Dogwood]

It's not hard to pick out the criminals on this site... Haha

 

[anrkizm95]

One other thing.... how come all the public hears about concerning cops are when they do something wrong?

bad news has and always will sell more papers than good.

but we know nothing about the situation or the good things he has done.

im sure he has done a lot of good.alot of people sitting in prision may have done good deeds also but they made a mistake and had to pay for it.so this officer should also.unless you think they should be above the law and free to do what they want.

 

[blove]

1. You dont know what happen in the situation, you werent there. Our warden and Sheriff even made a comment that based on what they could see in the video tape that my report acurately depicted what happen. My supervisor involved in the situation was demoted and a drastic pay cut. He later quit because of this and is driving a truck, long haul, and is away from his family for weeks/months on end. I didnt break a single law, there was no law that I broke to charge me with. I was simply a bystander in the situation as I was about 15 feet away (off camera) when it happened. When I say I was put on probation I don't mean criminal probation where someone like yourself would do. I was put on work probation, as in no raises and no advancement opportunity for me for 6 months. This was back in November and have had no problems since then.




2. Someone in handcuffs is still a dangerous person. Handcuffs are not the ultimate equalizer, they are still dangerous. I ride a streetbike, does that automatically make me unfair, uncivil and a power hunrgry adrenaline junky? I guess the same could be the same could be said for you.

3. You should really stop and take a look at yourselves.

Thank you for risking your life for us blove. I agree. Notice how we don't know a single good thing that the officer in the video did? He could have risked his life to save a family from a deranged family member a few hours before this incident and he might have still been on the edge from it. He still acted wrong, but we know nothing about the situation or the good things he has done.

Thank you Dogwood.

 

[squidbuellie]

dogwood really? i'm not even going to answer your off canter question. there is this old saying "a peace officer is the first person you want to see when your house is being robbed and the last person you want to see in your rear view mirror"
i myself try to stay as far away as i can from them.

 

[anrkizm95]

1. You dont know what happen in the situation, you werent there. Our warden and Sheriff even made a comment that based on what they could see in the video tape that my report acurately depicted what happen. My supervisor involved in the situation was demoted and a drastic pay cut. He later quit because of this and is driving a truck, long haul, and is away from his family for weeks/months on end. I didnt break a single law, there was no law that I broke to charge me with. I was simply a bystander in the situation as I was about 15 feet away (off camera) when it happened. When I say I was put on probation I don't mean criminal probation where someone like yourself would do. I was put on work probation, as in no raises and no advancement opportunity for me for 6 months. This was back in November and have had no problems since then.

so you the cop in the video because thats the issue here and what im talking about.in the state of texas it is a crime to to watch a crime in progress and do nothing

 

[blove]

im sure he has done a lot of good.alot of people sitting in prision may have done good deeds also but they made a mistake and had to pay for it.so this officer should also.unless you think they should be above the law and free to do what they want.

I agree with you anrkizm. No one is above the law, I'm trying to state that all we have is a short out of focus no sound clip to pass judgement on someone. If he truely did something wrong then he should pay for his crimes regardless of who you are. A lot of the guys I deal with on a daily basis are good people and I can carry on a conversation with them. But they like you said made a mistake, and/or where at the wrong place at the wrong time. But they must do their civil duty.

 

[blove]

in the state of texas it is a crime to to watch a crime in progress and do nothing

No its not! Where the hell did you hear that from? The only people that have a duty to act while a crime is being committed is an officer. If I were to go into a gas station and it gets robbed while I am there then I have a duty to act, whether on duty or not. You on the other hand (not being an officer) wont face criminal charges by simply being there while someone else committed a crime.

 

[anrkizm95]

2. Someone in handcuffs is still a dangerous person. Handcuffs are not the ultimate equalizer, they are still dangerous. I ride a streetbike, does that automatically make me unfair, uncivil and a power hunrgry adrenaline junky? I guess the same could be the same could be said for you.

yea he posed a real threat surrounded officers trained to handle this with tasers and pepper spray.so i guess if 6 of us were being yelled at by a drunk and i slammed his head on the ground and caused brain damage everything should be cool and you would back me up.yea right.where i come from 6 on 1 with his hands tied are called cowards and a few other things.you need this more than me

 

[anrkizm95]

The only people that have a duty to act while a crime is being committed is an officer.

you need to study more

 

[blove]

It seems to me that this situation/conversation could go on forever. Whats the old saying? "Agree to disagree"