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nothing new, our goverment has been revoking our rights for decades and will continue to do so.
they keep us devided and distracted with religion,race,class and party lines.imo americans will never put aside petty disputes and see the big picture.it might take 20,50 maybe even a hundred years but i see a ban on all firearms in this country in the not so distant future.
 
.it might take 20,50 maybe even a hundred years but i see a ban on all firearms in this country in the not so distant future.

Thats a terrifying thought but it does appear as though we're headed in a similair directions as some western european nations, so it is NOT unimaginable whatsoever. I can't see bolt action hunting rifles and shotguns being banned due to the deep seeded sporting traditions here but it will take a viscious fight to retain our rights to own and continue to buy anything even remotely considered "tactical". If you FULLY support the 2nd amendment and are not already an NRA member - now would be a good time to join.
 
Bureaucracies always strive for a greater degree of control. They and Government attract people who are convinced they know what is best for everyone else and it is just a matter of enacting enough laws to force the rest of us to behave the way they think we should.

It is about control and power where judgement is unwanted and initiative only required within strictly controlled bounds. They are imbued with a sense of their own exceptionalism and virtue. To them the end justifies the means, provided it is an end they endorse, otherwise they shriek with ethical outrage. As such they are willing to deprive others of their rights and liberty 'for the greater good' while happily breaking the law, or defending those who do, to further their own goals. So it is OK for an NBC left-wing anti-gun advocate to knowingly break the law, because it is 'in a good cause' but heaven help any gun owner that breaks the law even unknowingly, or any 6 year-old girl trying to help a woodpecker.

As the article says, "Laws either apply to all of us or none of us. If they apply only to some, they’re not laws but caprices — and all tyranny is capricious."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336573/laws-are-little-people-mark-steyn?pg=1
 
First of all, does anyone not realize that most if not all crimes are not committed with assault rifles? Also, most crimes are committed with stolen weapons or weapons without serial numbers. As far as someone talking about fully auto guns, those require a very expensive license to even own. Not just anyone can have one. I own a Springfield XDs and I'm wanting an AR-15 because they are just fun to go to a range and shoot. People need to get their facts straight before they say anything about guns, just like no one needs a 200hp motorcycle on the street so I guess we should ban those because there is no reason to have them. Come on people.
 
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Come and get them....
 
they just might do that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2olhfn_0d4
--- I dunno about the amateur hack at the "news desk" but it really does get interesting at the 8:50 mark

Are you prepared to go out guns blazing? If not, why do you own them?

Let's hope we're never in a position to make that decision.
There are 4 boxes to be used in the defense of Liberty. The Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box and Ammo box, Please use in that order.

Personally I think we are still in the "Ballot Box" let's just hope the gubment doesn't skip any steps.....
 
come to your own conclusions aboot this article and the ramifications it may have if indeed it is pursued.

I know there are many members this forum that have a clue or two and are awake to whats really going down on this wonderfully exploited rock we call earth but I digress, most still sleepwalk thru life..
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http://www.activistpost.com/2013/01/illinois-total-gun-ban-legislation-to.html#more

Illinois Total Gun Ban Legislation To Be Submitted: Confiscation to Follow
Problem-Reaction-Solution
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Brandon Turbeville
Activist Post

The Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) is claiming that it has learned from a credible source that Illinois State Senate President John Cullerton plans to introduce an “assault weapons” ban on Wednesday January 2nd during the course of the “lame duck” session.

Cullerton’s apparent strategy is to ram the bill through the Illinois State Congress during the “lame duck” and provide the passed version to Governor Quinn by Friday for signing. Quinn is, of course, a notorious gun grabber.

If the bill passes, according to the ISRA, “nearly every gun you [Illinois residents] currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.”

The ISRA states,

Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called “assault weapons” but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.

According to The Truth About Guns, there will actually be two bills – “one for semi-automatic rifles, lever guns, shotguns and handguns with certain features (e.g., threaded barrels); and one for ammunition magazine capacity.”


The ISRA has posted five points on “What You Need To Do To Save Your Guns.” They are as follows:

Beginning Wednesday, call your State Senator and politely tell him or her that you are a law abiding firearm owner and that you strongly oppose Cullerton’s gun ban. Also, be sure to call your State Representative as well and politely deliver the same message. If you do not know who your State Representative please call the Illinois State Board of Elections at 217-782-4141.
Forward this alert to all your gun owning friends and family members. Be sure to tell them to call their senators and representatives as well.
Post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards and blogs to which you belong.
Join or renew your membership in the ISRA. Encourage your friends and family to join as well.
Make a generous donation to the ISRA by clicking the link below. We are in desperate need of your financial support to help beat back the onslaught of gun grab bills coming our way in 2013.

In the wake of the Newtown school shooting, the anti-gun agenda will undoubtedly be pressed harder and harder into concrete actions against the Second Amendment. The attacks on gun ownership will likely be coming from all sides in the coming months. Thus, while one may attempt to achieve as many victories for the Second Amendment as possible through the legislative and political process, it should always be remembered that there should be no compromise and no debate when it comes to our basic rights.

Read other articles by Brandon Turbeville here.

Brandon Turbeville is an author out of Florence, South Carolina. He has a Bachelor's Degree from Francis Marion University and is the author of three books, Codex Alimentarius -- The End of Health Freedom, 7 Real Conspiracies, and Five Sense Solutions and Dispatches From a Dissident. Turbeville has published over 175 articles dealing on a wide variety of subjects including health, economics, government corruption, and civil liberties. Brandon Turbeville's podcast Truth on The Tracks can be found every Monday night 9 pm EST at UCYTV. He is available for radio and TV interviews. Please contact activistpost (at) gmail.com.




Posted by Activist at 12:12 PM Labels: Activism, Brandon Turbeville, gun control, politics, right to bear arms, Second Amendment
5 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is absolutely thrilling! I'm sure it will be a beautiful genocide after the confiscation. At least they're bringing the gas chamber to us (aerosol engineering). We can thank all of the brain damaged morons whom appear to have messed their diapers when these issues are discussed.
January 2, 2013 12:39 PM
Anonymous said...

You knew this was coming when Rahm left the White House to go to Chicago. Nothing in gov/politics happens by chance, its all by design, its been in the works for years. Fast n Furious, Aurora, Sandy Hook, all staged to falsely blame the 2nd Amendment.

Its rumored they're gonna create another false flag, prob in Chicago, worse than Sandy Hook to solidify the gun grab politically. They need political cover for raping the Constitution n your rights.

They're preparing for the take over of the US. The scumpire will crash the world economies, n when they do, they want a complete 3rd world Police State in the old US on re-entry, worse than NKorea, China's their model. Their problem is you cant have a Police State with an armed population.

Our founding fathers fought n died to escape this same tyranny n start this new Republic. Our fathers, grandfathers, n great grandfathers died fighting to keep these liberty rights for our families.

Like the Statue of Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the scumpire cant wait to take down our Statue of Liberty!

The 2nd Amendment is the line in the sand. The scumpire hates us for it, they cant control us completely because of it. Its what separates us from the rest of the world they control. You give up your 2nd Amendment birth right, our fathers died in vain. Give up our Constitution n the Republic is over! Hold the line!
January 2, 2013 1:03 PM
Anonymous said...

Arrest for treason every politican who votes for this. We cannot allow this to happen. It's time to enforce the declaration of independence.
January 2, 2013 1:24 PM
Anonymous said...

You people have it all wrong; don't waste your time "writing to your congressman", that will only act as a catharsis for your frustrations.
Instead, tell your congressman: "Go for it & see how it turns out"
January 2, 2013 1:49 PM
Anonymous said...

Yeah, it'll go into effect quickly, before any appeals can be made, and right after another false flag operation. Probably going to be a big false flag operation. Everyone needs to carry a filming device with them, and be using it, even if you end up erasing most of what you record. And whatever you do, don't give it up to "ANYONE" without having a backup copy HIDDEN somewhere and known about by a trusted friend.
January 2, 2013 2:33 PM
 
What happened to voting?

Unfortunately voting requires the input of severely uninformed masses of idiots that only do what the talking heads on Fox News and MSNBC tell them to do.

Just to save the flame wars, I'm not implying that we need to remove the right to vote. I'm just bitching about the fact that I think uninformed voting should be illegal.
 
Had to split this post in two parts the second half is on the next post on next page.
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/second_amendment
http://www.law.cornell.edu/anncon/html/amdt2_user.html#amdt2_hd2


PLEASE read & pay close attention to& fully understand what it says & it all ESPECIALLY the BOLD lettering and pay extra attenion to even more to the BOLD ITALICS lettering that I have highlighted for you !! it explains a lot on the mater at subject



Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.



Analysis from the Congressional Research Service



BEARING ARMS


SECOND AMENDMENT

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

In spite of extensive recent discussion and much legislative action with respect to regulation of the purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms, as well as proposals to substantially curtail ownership of firearms, there is no definitive resolution by the courts of just what right the Second Amendment protects. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, are an “individual rights” thesis whereby individuals are protected in ownership, possession, and transportation, and a “states’ rights” thesis whereby it is said the purpose of the clause is to protect the States in their authority to maintain formal, organized militia units.1 Whatever the Amendment may mean, it is a bar only to federal action, not extending to state2 or private3 restraints. The Supreme Court has given effect to the dependent clause of the Amendment in the only case in which it has tested a congressional enactment against the constitutional prohibition, seeming to affirm individual protection but only in the context of the maintenance of a militia or other such public force.

In United States v. Miller,4 the Court sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed–off-shotguns. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Court observed that “withobvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view.”5 The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of “civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.” It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that “comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,” who, “when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”6 Therefore, “in the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well– regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.”7

Since this decision, Congress has placed greater limitations on the receipt, possession, and transportation of firearms,8 and proposals for national registration or prohibition of firearms altogether have been made.9 At what point regulation or prohibition of what classes of firearms would conflict with the Amendment, if at all, the Miller case does little more than cast a faint degree of illumination toward an answer.


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Pointing out that interest in the “character of the Second Amendment right has recently burgeoned,” Justice Thomas, concurring in the Court’s invalidation (on other grounds) of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, questioned whether the Second Amendment bars federal regulation of gun sales, and suggested that the Court might determine “at some future date . . . whether Justice Story was correct . . . that the right to bear arms ‘has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic.’ ” 1


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It was not until 2008 that the Supreme Court definitively came down on the side of an “individual rights” theory.1 Relying on new scholarship regarding the origins of the Amendment, the Court in District of Columbia v. Heller2 confirmed what had been a growing consensus of legal scholars – that the rights of the Second Amendment adhered to individuals. The Court reached this conclusion after a textual analysis of the Amendment,3 an examination of the historical use of prefatory phrases in statutes, and a detailed exploration of the 18th century meaning of phrases found in the Amendment. Although accepting that the historical and contemporaneous use of the phrase “keep and bear Arms” often arose in connection with military activities, the Court noted that its use was not limited to those contexts.4 Further, the Court found that the phrase “well regulated Militia” referred not to formally organized state or federal militias, but to the pool of “able-bodied men” who were available for conscription.5 Finally, the Court reviewed contemporaneous state constitutions, post-enactment commentary, and subsequent case law to conclude that the purpose of the right to keep and bear arms extended beyond the context of militia service to include self-defense.

Using this “individual rights theory,” the Court struck down a District of Columbia law that banned virtually all handguns, and required that any other type of firearm in a home be dissembled or bound by a trigger lock at all times. The Court rejected the argument that handguns could be banned as long as other guns (such as long-guns) were available, noting that, for a variety of reasons, handguns are the “most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home.”6 Similarly, the requirement that all firearms be rendered inoperable at all times was found to limit the “core lawful purpose of self-defense.” However, the Court specifically stated (albeit in dicta) that the Second Amendment did not limit prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, penalties for carrying firearms in schools and government buildings, or laws regulating the sales of guns. The Court also noted that there was a historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons” that would not be affected by its decision. The Court, however, declined to establish the standard by which future gun regulations would be evaluated.7 And, more importantly, because the District of Columbia is a federal enclave, the Court did not have occasion to address whether it would reconsider its prior decisions that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states.

The latter issue was addressed in McDonald v. Chicago,8 where a plurality of the Court, overturning prior precedent, found that the Second Amendment is incorporated through the Fourteenth Amendment and is thus enforceable against the states.9 Relevant to this question, the Court examined whether the right to keep and bear arms is “fundamental to our scheme of ordered liberty”10 or “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition.”11 The Court, relying on historical analysis set forth previously in Heller, noted the English common law roots of the right to keep arms for self-defense12 and the importance of the right to the American colonies, the drafters of the Constitution. and the states as a bulwark against over-reaching federal authority.13 Noting that by the 1850s the perceived threat that the National Government would disarm the citizens had largely faded, the Court suggested that the right to keep and bear arms became valued principally for purposes of self-defense, so that the passage of Fourteenth Amendment, in part, was intended to protect the right of ex-slaves to keep and bear arms. While it was argued by the dissent that this protection would most logically be provided by the Equal Protection Clause, not by the Due Process Clause,14 the plurality also found enough evidence of then-existent concerns regarding the treatment of blacks by the state militia to conclude that the right to bear arms was also intended to protect against generally-applicable state regulation.

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1 A sampling of the diverse literature in which the same historical, linguistic, and case law background is the basis for strikingly different conclusions is: Staff of Subcom. on the Constitution, Senate Committee on the Judiciary, 97th Congress, 2d Sess., The Right to Keep and Bear Arms (Comm. Print 1982); Don B. Kates, Handgun Prohibition and the Original Meaning of the Second Amendment (1984); Gun Control and the Constitution: Sources and Explorations on the Second Amendment (Robert J. Cottrol, ed. 1993); Stephen P. Halbrook, That Every Man Be Armed: The Evolution of a Constitutional Right (1984); Symposium, Gun Control, 49 Law & Contemp. Probs. 1 (1986); Sanford Levinson, The Embarrassing Second Amendment, 99 Yale L.J. 637 (1989).


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Joyce Lee Malcolm, To Keep and Bear Arms: The Origins of an Anglo–American Right (1994); Glenn Harlan Reynolds, A Critical Guide to the Second Amendment, 62 Tenn. L. Rev. 461 (1995); William Van Alystyne, The Second Amendment and the Personal Right to Bear Arms, 43 Duke L.J. 1236 (1994).

2 Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) . See also Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535 (1894) ; Robertson v. Baldwin, 165 U.S. 275, 281–282 (1897) . The non–application of the Second Amendment to the States is good law today. Quilici v. Village of Morton Grove, 695 F. 2d 261 (7th Cir. 1982), cert. denied, 464 U.S. 863 (1983) .

3 United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875) .

4307 U.S. 174 (1939) . The defendants had been released on the basis of the trial court determination that prosecution would violate the Second Amendment and no briefs or other appearances were filed on their behalf; the Court acted on the basis of the Government’s representations.

5 Id. at 178.

6 Id. at 179.

7 Id. at 178. In Cases v. United States, 131 F. 2d 916, 922 (1st Cir. 1942), cert. denied, 319 U.S. 770 (1943) , the court, upholding a similar provision of the Federal Firearms Act, said: “Apparently, then, under the Second Amendment, the federal government can limit the keeping and bearing of arms by a single individual as well as by a group of individuals, but it cannot prohibit the possession or use of any weapon which has any reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well–regulated militia.” See Lewis v. United States, 445 U.S. 55, 65 n.8 (1980) (dictum: Miller holds that the “Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have ‘some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”’).


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See also Hickman v. Block, 81 F.3d 98 (9th Cir.) (plaintiff lacked standing to challenge denial of permit to carry concealed weapon, because Second Amendment is a right held by States, not by private citizens), cert. denied 519 U.S. 912 (1996) ; United States v. Gomez, 92 F.3d 770, 775 n.7 (9th Cir. 1996) (interpreting federal prohibition on possession of firearm by a felon as having a justification defense “ensures that [the provision] does not collide with the Second Amendment”); United States v. Wright, 117 F.3d 1265 (11th Cir.), cert. denied 522 U.S. 1007 (1997) (member of Georgia unorganized militia unable to establish that his possession of machineguns and pipe bombs bore any connection to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia).

8 Enacted measures include the Gun Control Act of 1968. 82 Stat. 226 , 18 U.S.C. §§ 921 –928. The Supreme Court’s dealings with these laws have all arisen in the context of prosecutions of persons purchasing or obtaining firearms in violation of a provisions against such conduct by convicted felons. Lewis v. United States, 445 U.S. 55 (1980) ; Barrett v. United States, 423 U.S. 212 (1976) ; Scarborough v. United States, 431 U.S. 563 (1977) ; United States v. Bass, 404 U.S. 336 (1971) .

9 E.g., National Commission on Reform of Federal Criminal Laws, Working Papers 1031–1058 (1970), and Final Report 246–247 (1971).


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1 Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898, 937–39 (1997) (quoting 3 Commentaries Sec. 1890, p. 746 (1833)). Justice Scalia, in extra–judicial writing, has sided with the individual rights interpretation of the Amendment. See Antonin Scalia, A Matter of Interpretation, Federal Courts and the Law, 136–37 n.13 (A. Gutmann, ed., 1997) (responding to Professor Tribe’s critique of “my interpretation of the Second Amendment as a guarantee that the federal government will not interfere with the individual’s right to bear arms for self–defense”).


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1. E. Volokh, The Commonplace Second Amendment, 73 N.Y.U. L. REV. 793 (1998); R. 1 Barnett, Was the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Conditioned on Service in an Organized Militia?, 83 TEX. L. REV. 237 (2004); E. Volokh, “Necessary to the Security of a Free State,” 83 NOTRE DAME L. REV. 1 (2007); Note, What Did “Bear Arms” Mean in the Second Amendment?, 6 GEORGETOWN J. L. & PUB. POLICY (2008).

2. 128 S. Ct. 2783 (2008).

3. The “right of the people,” for instance, was found in other places in the Constitu- tion to speak to individual rights, not to collective rights (those that can only be exercised by participation in a corporate body). 128 S. Ct. at 2790-91.

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continued from my post on previous page ( second half of the post)

4. 128 S. Ct. at 2791-97.

5. 128 S. Ct. at 2799-2800. Similarly, the phrase “security of a free state” was found to refer not to the defense of a particular state, but to the protection of the national polity. 128 S. Ct. at 2800-01.

6. 128 S. Ct. at 2818.

7. 128 S. Ct. at 2817 n.27 (discussing non-application of rational basis review). See 7 id. at 2850-51 (Breyer, J., dissenting).

8. 130 S. Ct. 3020 (2010).

9. The portion of the opinion finding incorporation was authored by Justice Alito, 9 and joined by Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Scalia and Justice Kennedy. Justice Thomas declined to join the plurality's opinion as regards incorporation under the Due Process Clause. Instead, Justice Thomas, alone among the Justices, would have found that the Second Amendment is applicable to the states under the Privileges or Immunities Clause. For a more detailed discussion of incorporation and the Privileges or Immunities Clause, see supra Bill of Rights, Fourteenth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment, Privileges or Immunities.

10. Duncan v. Louisiana, 391 U. S. 145, 149 (1968).

11. Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U. S. 702, 721 (1997)(internal quotation marks omitted).

12. McDonald, 130 S. Ct. At 3036 (noting that Blackstone had asserted that the right to keep and bear arms was “one of the fundamental rights of Englishmen”).

13. 130 S. Ct. at 3037-38.

14. 130 S. Ct. at 3132-3133 (Breyer, J., dissenting).





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although a lot people try to twist and mis-interpret the meaning of all the Bill of RIGHTS (especially the Second Ammendment) it means what it means(plain and simple) and was wrote a certain way for the common phrases and usage of words in that day And the US Supreme Court has delt with its meanings many times and made many conclusions on what it means (and has to continue its previous decisions on any subject matter )and what RIGHTS it gives to the Individual US Citizen (the people) and to the states as for what it pertains to.

also many very smart Constitutional lawyers and Constitution schalors have concluded that the Second Amendment was written for both the indidual US Citizen the people and for the state order provide protection for each citizenand to provide self defense and as also a means to hunting for animals for food to provide food for yourself and your family and to protect the state from the federal goverment or any other person or enity foreign or domestic and to keep and prevent the federal government from becoming to powerfull and tyranicall (like the government that we at that time had defeats in order to win our indepedence as a FREE nation) bceause the founding fathers that wrote the Bill of Rights (&Constitution) understtod and did not want he US government to EVER Infringe on our LIBERTIES & Freedoms for the governement to fear the the people not for the People to fear the governemnt for it is the People who put the those in governmental position into place and have the right and means to remove them from office and power and the the government shall NOT have the right to Forcably push upon any Power over the people without the legal consent of the people( basicly how much power to allow the central government, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers ;
;aka to prevent tyrany & any tyrannical regimes)
, & that the People are and will ALWAYS BE the for the people by the People are the true United STATES of America, because it is government based on the consent of the governed.
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thats why it says this;
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


now with all that said that does not mean that the antigun politicians wont try any and every way to get around what is the laws and rights of our constitution(because they have demenstrated that they will and can many times and the no one is brave enough or wants to challenge it or them on the matters)
Obama and alot of both demecrats & repulicians have things setup to give obama and congress a way to reclass all semi-automatic firearms to put them in the same class as fully automatic weapons and put semi-auots under the the same regulations and scutiny to be watched over by the ATF to be a way in order to have all citizens have them fully registed with the ATF and under ATF inspection and possible confication. but the House of Representives are the one that have control over the Funding the the ATF and the POWER to de-fund the ATF and dis band/ dis member it and shut it down and that is the only obbstacle in the way of that executive order & congress pushing it though .
some one posted this today from some radio webste on online so take it with a grain of salt or whatever your saying for that is.......although i dont know of any of the truth of this article, but, it does seem like what this adminstration may be trying to push if they cant get a comprimise on the whole gun controll issue that they pushing ,see this article for more info .. http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/obamas-secret-plan-to-reclassify-your-guns/?cat_orig=us



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I am a gunowner and I hunt fish ride motorcycles drive cars too , I believe every one has the right to defend them self and owning and using a gun is the best way to defend yourself (especially if the person attacking you or others has a gun or any weapon(knife,sword,bomb, chemical, vehicle or anything capable of inflecting bodily harm or death or mutiple attackers that can easly inflect bodily harm or kill me or others ) and others and also it provide for a way to defend my and your state and country .
I believe 100% in the Second Amendment and what it stands for !
and believe in the consealed carry and open carry laws of my state and others for self defense.
and if the day ever came that government was so corupt tyrannical to the point it no longer obeyed the people or the law and was confiscating all firearms to completelty disarm its own citizens,first I would fight for my rights along with Millions of others, and if the day came of never geeting those rights back , I would destroy my guns completely before I ever let them into the Possession of any one, especially the Government !! but i believe the start of confiscation of guns would cause a revolution or civil war and/or impeachment of all in governemental offices.
 
just came back from a local gun show never seen so many cops....every black rifle there was 2,000 $$$$ 600.00 for a 1000 rounds of .223 ammo but i got a 1000 rds 45acp for 280.00 i should be good....:D
 
This article makes a very great point with using facts and gun safety facts & facts of the Millions of US citizens that are VERY Responsible LEGAL & Law obiding GunOwners (& also not to mention all the other legal & very Responbile Law obiding gun owners in other countries too)
( not using the BS & wrongful hype and bad key trigger words to scare the public and just plain dumb and WRONG & Misleading, very FALSE Information that the mainstream media & antigun people with little to NO knowledge of guns or the facts they try to use in there quest for ratings and/ or power hungry agendas .)


. http://www.downrange.tv/blog/gun-control-has-a-clear-record-of-failure/19646/

Gun control has a clear record of failure


In the wake of the horrific murders at the Sandy Hook school in Connecticut, America has been deluged with calls for ever-more-restrictive gun-control laws, and that’s understandable. It’s natural to think that’s the solution if you don’t know these measures have been tried and have always failed.
We crave a solution so much that we’ll ignore the record and keep repeating failed policies.
We are told that we need gun-control laws. Sounds good, right? Should we make it illegal for anyone adjudicated to be mentally ill to buy a gun? Let’s make it illegal for felons to possess guns. Let’s license gun dealers and require the FBI to do a background check on anyone buying a gun from these stores. How about an age restriction on buying guns? Gun shows should have to follow the same laws as everyone else.
All those already are law, and there are some 20,000 additional gun-control laws in the U.S. Before one can rationally call for passage of gun laws, he or she must know what already is covered.
How about a ban on “assault weapons”? We’re told this is only common sense. But, what is this thing called an assault weapon? It’s not a machine gun. There were no machine guns covered in the original assault-weapon ban because those firearms already are tightly restricted. No, the autoloading (called semiautomatic) rifles included in the original law simply looked like military guns. They should be banned on the basis of how they look? They fire only one shot with each pull of the trigger, like a revolver or the cowboy-style lever-action rifle used by John Wayne.
Semiautomatics have been around for more than 100 years. President Teddy Roosevelt hunted with a semiautomatic rifle, as do millions of hunters today.
For 10 years (1994 to 2004) we banned only those semiautomatic rifles that look like military guns. Prohibitionists’ logic dictates that the demise of this law in 2004 should have spawned a huge increase in crime with rifles. Didn’t happen. More people are killed with fists and feet than with rifles of any kind, and semiautomatics constitute merely a subset of rifles. In short, the ban failed. It had to.
The National Academy of Sciences studied gun laws in the U.S. and reported it could find no link between restrictions on gun ownership and lower rates of crime, firearms violence or accidents with guns.
Over the past 20 years, the rates of violent crime and murder have dropped by half in the U.S., according to the FBI. That’s astounding. We have more guns and more gun owners, but the rate of violent crime and murder went down by half. Accidental shooting deaths also declined. How can this be?
Two things were done, and they work.
Over the course of a half-century, with more guns and more gun owners, the number of gun accidents resulting in death has fallen because of education. Gun owners, through various programs, have taught safe gun storage and gun handling and have brought into our schools the Eddie Eagle program, which teaches young children to not touch guns and to tell an adult if they find one.
The major change in America’s gun laws over the past two decades is removing prohibitions against people carrying guns for protection. The concealed-carry movement started in Florida amid catcalls from the media — which dubbed it the “Gunshine State” — and predictions that every fender-bender accident would result in gunshots. That didn’t happen there, and it didn’t happen in the other states. More good people are carrying guns, and the violent-crime and murder rates decline.
We have a clear track record of what works to increase our safety. We know what doesn’t. Arming good people does, in fact, reduce crime. Banning certain types of firearms, or the loading devices, does nothing to stop mentally ill people and criminals.
Focusing on the failed siren song of gun control diverts us from doing things that actually work, such as programs to secure firearms. Congress eliminated the funding for “Project Childsafe,” a program created by the firearms industry to educate gun owners about safe storage and to distribute millions of gun locks.
We all want to do something, but it is foolish and wasteful to return to a policy with a clear record of failure.

(Tom Gresham is the host of the nationally syndicated radio show Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk.)
 
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complete proof of the fact that the anti-gun crowd's ban-platform is based on complete and total IGNORANCE.
 
http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/o...complish-through-executive-action_695381.html

CIRCUMVENT THE U.S. CONSTITUTION VIA EXECUTIVE ORDER!!!!!

This Marxist dictator is about to discover what 'clinging to guns' really means; and at this rate he is bound to incite another civil war faster than he can say 'constitutional republic'.

WRITE TO YOUR STATE LEGISLATURES TODAY AND DEMAND THAT THEY ADOPT THE SAME STANCE AS WYOMING. (unless you live in CA or NY, of course)
 
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