AZ i think i will have to do that its like torture not knowing lol seriously it may well be me being unreasonable but i am the most patient person i know if you just talk to me and i am a customer after all! i just dont want to push it and have to walk away from the black rotors i mean its not the end of the world if that happens but i REALLY do want them, they would be my bike`s crowning glory IMO