^^^ mate i totally agree with all that! i guess i just dont want to come across as the grumpy Englishman and of course i was and still am (just) desperate to have black rotors! If its just for the photo opportunity though i should get them back and use a chemical blackening kit and do it myself, i could then push the bike 100ft or so to this big church wall to get the pics i crave and then just get on and ride and let the black come off!