Bid to buy Ducati... from Harley?

[Disturbed1]

Harley sold off MV and dropped Buell to concentrate on their core competency, cruisers.

This is true, but is also a lie by Harley-Davidson to cover up there losses. They were invested, like a lot of companies of that time , in the junk stock/bonds of the sub-prime loans. (Diversification through owning stock additional to there own, and the companies doing this were making a killing until the end.) When the chickens came home to roost, they were caught with there pants down. Much like VW, they have to sell Ducati partially because of the emissions scandal, and fines levied against them to the tune of 4.3 billion in the US alone.

 

[Cooter]

"and fines levied against them to the tune of 4.3 billion in the US alone."

It was actually a 12-15 Million "slap on the wrist"...

 

[Disturbed1]

12-15 Million "slap on the wrist".

I could be wrong. Maybe my wording was incorrect, but directly from the US Justice Department.

Volkswagen AG Agrees to Plead Guilty and Pay $4.3 Billion in Criminal and Civil Penalties.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/volkswagen-ag-agrees-plead-guilty-and-pay-43-billion-criminal-and-civil-penalties-six

 

[Cooter]

I read that as you meant Harley. My bad if you meant VW, I was talking about H-D and their emission 'scandal' over Vance and Hines programmers they sold through Dealers.

 

[GregoXB]

Sometimes I wonder, if Erik had just cooled down, cut his losses, and taken that job Harley offered him.... perhaps they would have let him reintroduce at least his air cooled line up right about now....

 

[BuellyBagger]

Sometimes I wonder, if Erik had just cooled down, cut his losses, and taken that job Harley offered him.... perhaps they would have let him reintroduce at least his air cooled line up right about now....

If they were smart they'd have him engineering a bagger that runs, stops, and turns @ least as well as a gold wing (which the new ones are closer than ever...) and got better than 30mpg!! Either way Erik is an amazing engineer and it would be better that he being improving someones motorcycle rather than being "out of a job". although i doubt he's sitting @ home watch soap opera's. I wonder if the burn from Harley will ever wear off for him?? I'd be excited to see what he could do!

 

[El_Beardo]

Does anyone else see this as a big slap in the face to Erik Buell? The EBR has a proven track record of being a dominate machine in AMA Superbike whereas Ducati has stumbled quit a bit in MotoGP. Obviously I am comparing two different things but it feels like HD let a golden opportunity slip by. Sure, Buell/EBR likely causes jitters in the market but change the name and bring back an amazing American sportbike!

 

[GregoXB]

I am more worried for Ducati than anything else. Harley will never part with a single one of their cruisers and if they end up selling Ducati and no buyer comes forward, they will not hesitate to disembowel them to feed their company.

 

[Disturbed1]

Harley out of the running to make bid on Ducati.

But Polaris is still in the game...

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2017/07/reuters-reports-harley-not-among-bidders-for-ducati-but-polaris-is/

 

[midway]

That works for me, dosent that work better than if Harley started messing with Ducati... yes it does.

 

[Cooter]

The comment string is priceless! I don't hate H-D and have owned and liked a few, but what a terrible business match. This guy is hilarious commenting on a previous post. VVVVVV

“I also believe that when it comes to motorcycles and riders like myself who have been involved for many decades, that what we like are motorcycles that are, powerful, easy to handle, easy to maintain, don’t cost an arm and a leg, and look like a motorcycle should. This is why Harley Davidson has been so successful for so many years.”

This is what made H-D so successful for so many years? Hmmm. Let’s see here…

“Powerful”? Not even a little. Given their displacement, H-D’s have always been pathetically anemic. Hell, they’re pathetically anemic even without the displacement qualifier.
“Easy to handle”? Bwaaaa. Compared to what? A wheelbarrow?
“Easy to maintain”? Sure, as long as they’re working. Historically, H-D has nearly always been ranked among the least reliable brands, which is all the more damning when one stops to consider just how extremely under-powered and mechanically simple H-D’s have been down through the years.
“Don’t cost an arm and a leg?” Throw in a heart, spleen, and prolapsed rectum, and you’re about there for any halfway decent modern Harley.
“Look like a motorcycle should?” Yep…in 1957.
Allow me to help you out here. H-D was not successful because their bikes were powerful, reliable, well handling, or affordable. Quite the opposite, in fact. They were successful despite their bikes failing to be any of those things. Bottom line, H-D’s success was the result of one thing, and one thing only: marketing.
“American-Built Iron That Makes YOU, Mr. Weekend Warrior, Look Like a Badass! Lifestyle, Hoss! Lifestyle! Hells Angels! Sturgis! Easy Rider! Skynyrd! Sons of Anarchy! One-Percenters! Tattoos! Biker Chicks! Lowriders! Assless Chaps! Screaming Eagles! Desert Sunsets! World War II! Budweiser! Chrome! Leather Fringe! Potato-Potato-Potato! Fat Boys! Fat Bobs! Fat Wives!’MURICA!! EFF, YEAH!”
Don’t kid yourself. That’s all it is. That’s all it’s ever been.

 

[BuellyBagger]

Lol!

one thing only: marketing.
“American-Built Iron That Makes YOU, Mr. Weekend Warrior, Look Like a Badass! Lifestyle, Hoss! Lifestyle! Hells Angels! Sturgis! Easy Rider! Skynyrd! Sons of Anarchy! One-Percenters! Tattoos! Biker Chicks! Lowriders! Assless Chaps! Screaming Eagles! Desert Sunsets! World War II! Budweiser! Chrome! Leather Fringe! Potato-Potato-Potato! Fat Boys! Fat Bobs! Fat Wives!’MURICA!! EFF, YEAH!”
Don’t kid yourself. That’s all it is. That’s all it’s ever been.

f@#k yeah lol. That's exactly y I like mine

 

[Cooter]

Ya. that guy is funny

Got this off Revzilla:

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tre...22/2017 - CT&utm_term=Common Tread | Combined

 

[GregoXB]

Don't worry, Harley fell on hard times in 2009 and they know exactly how to get out of this funk.

1) Take another 2.3 billion in bailout money, maybe a little more this time $$$... common Uncie Sam.... pwetty pwease... *batts eyes*
2) Destroy Buell....again.... somehow.... It's still def their fault again..... somehow....:mad-new:

 

[jl551c]

Ok, looks like Harley is out of the running and I'm glad for that. Ducati makes fantastic bikes and that proposed fit to me was just bizarre. Watch out for Ducati as their new V4 rolls out. End of an era with the end of 2 cylinder Desmo motors fading out.
In defense of Harley I will say this: For two-up riding I haven't found a better, more enjoyable ride for the wife and I. She's comfortable and loves it. That's important to me. I just rode coast to coast on my Ultra Classic without a hiccup. It's big, it's heavy. Underpowered? Yes. Handling? Not so great, but sufficient for cruising. Music? Hell yea. When I want to ride solo I take one of my Buells and have a blast. Theyre my favorite. Goldwing? Tried it. Sounds like I'm riding a sew machine? BMW? Ok, might be nice if I had a dealer under 100 miles away. So, to me it's about mind set. I look at it like I'm out cruising in an old V8 convertible, not a Corvette. Just my opinion.

 

[Cooter]

I totally concur. Ever job needs a specific tool

 

[HazardousWaste]

Hum, interesting thing is the perception of the motorcycle public.
HD tore apart our beloved Buell's
In the 70's HD used its power with the AMA to get all the Yamaha and Kawasaki 2 strokes banned from dirt track because they were getting their ass kicked by them.
I blame the AMA for this
Welcome to the new World HD, Kawasaki and Indian (yes Indian) are kicking your ASS. Hopefully these two can help revive American dirt track. Indian has won every race but one, and that was won by Kawasaki
So a 2015 consumer report on motorcycle brand reliability. %'s are rate of unreliability across the brand line. #1 being the worst. Top 5 worst
#1 - Can-Am 44% is this really a bike, no it's a trike
#2 - BMW 40%
#3 - Ducati 33%
#4 - Triumph 29%
#5 - Harley Davidson 26%

Well this confirms my experience, biggest POS I've ever owned was a BMW
I bought a new Superglide in 1976, ported the heads, high compression pistons and a Andrews cam along with a big S&S, I beat the living crap out that bike for 7 years, 2nd gear WOT dumps all the time. Never failed me once.
So according to this report HD is almost twice as reliable as a BMW
HD is also the only manufacture to make it on both lists
Top 5 most reliable
#1 Yamaha 11%
#2 Honda-Suzuki 12% tie
#3 Kawasaki 15%
#4 Victory 17%
#5 Harley Davidson 26%

So by these stats maybe HD and Ducati are a lot closer than we think.

Ferrari did the same thing to Ford back in the early 60's
They were losing the championchip to Ford. So at the Monza race Ferrari had the Italian port authority hold up the Cobras and Daytona coupes at the docks and they couldn't get the cars to the track.