Tired of this squid thing

[BitchinXb]

I think i **** my pants

 

[squidbuellie]

 

[BKKBuell]

Lets see Kid1620 doing this without gear...

 

[Kid1620]

I've actually gone over the handle bars before quite fun did a complete flip landed on my ass momentum stood me up I turned around walked back to my bike pick it up and rode home. Only had a helmet and gloves as protective gear

 

[theoctopus]

Also it's the supreme courts job to inforce the constitution not interpret it to their understanding of it "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; —to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; —to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; —to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; —to Controversies between two or more States" that's article 3 section 2. Also in article 3 section 1 it says nothing granting the supreme courts the power of interpretation. But yes the constitution is very vague

You are actually incorrect. It is the duty of the executive branch to enforce laws.

From the White House website (http://www.whitehouse.gov/our-government/judicial-branch):

Federal courts enjoy the sole power to interpret the law, determine the constitutionality of the law, and apply it to individual cases.

 

[Kid1620]

Article II of the US costituion
The Executive Branch

Section 1. [1] The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows.
[2] Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
[3] [The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State have one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.] (Note: Superseded by the Twelfth Amendment.)
[4] The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.
[5] No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
[6] [In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law, provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.] (Note: Changed by the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.)
[7] The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be encreased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
[8] Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: —“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Section 2. [1] The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
[2] He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
[3] The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
Section 3. He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

[theoctopus]

I don't think you understand what you just posted.

Again, from the same website as the last quote:

The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States, who also acts as head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet.

and

The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.

 

[Kid1620]

I've very Lear that the executive branch has the power to enforce law. But that's cove under article 2 the Judicial Branch is covered under article 3 which state

The Judicial Branch

Section 1. The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.
Section 2. [1] The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; —to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; —to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; —to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party; —to Controversies between two or more States, —[between a State and Citizens of another State;—] (Note: Changed by the Eleventh Amendment.) between Citizens of different States; —between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, [and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.] (Note: Changed by the Eleventh Amendment.)
[2] In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
[3] The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.
Section 3. [1] Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
[2] The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

 

[Iamarchangel]

I've actually gone over the handle bars before quite fun did a complete flip landed on my ass momentum stood me up I turned around walked back to my bike pick it up and rode home. Only had a helmet and gloves as protective gear

Good thing you landed on the smart end.




Yes, a simple "wrong" would have covered it but you do keep going on.

 

[Kid1620]

And still there is no power of interpretation in either statement you made band there isn't one in the constitution. On that it's very clear. Yes the executive branch has power to enforce laws passed by congress but those laws have to be constitutional which is decided by the judicial branch if their is any question or dispute over the constitutionallity of that law. In that case the judicial branch takes up the case and unconstitutionally interprets the constitution instead of using direct text from the constitution that dictates weather the laws is constitutional or not. No where in the constitution does it give anyone those power to interpret it.

Sorry that was long winded

 

[nativeXb12Rbuell]

[up][up] thankyou Lamarchangel plus 1

 

[Kid1620]

I'm just having a conversation now not arguing about anything. It's just a good conversation. Right Octo

 

[theoctopus]

It is clear to me you could do with some law classes.

It is also completely understandable that you would elect to not wear your gear!

 

[theoctopus]

I would say friendly conversation.

I would classify it as good if you had more to back up your argument than copy and paste sections from the constitution which only marginally deals with the topic at hand.

 

[Kid1620]

If your having a conversation about the constitution why wouldn't you use the direct parts of the constitution that your talking about to back up your points

 

[theoctopus]

Because you didn't back up anything.

You could learn a thing or two about argumentation:

1. Make claim.
2. Provide and interpret evidence.
3. ???
4. Profit.

 

[Kid1620]

I made a claim and I have provided evidence that doesn't need interpreting because it's directly from the source. Which shows clearly that there is not interpretive power granted to any branch of the government. And your evidence shows nothing about an interpretive power either just and enforcement power which I'm not disputing

 

[theoctopus]

I think we may have reached an impasse.

I hope that at some point in the future you take the opportunity to pick up a book on the machinery of the US government.

 

[Kid1620]

Sorry forgot about one of your points you made but where in the constitution does it state

"Federal courts enjoy the sole power to interpret the law, determine the constitutionality of the law, and apply it to individual cases."

 

[theoctopus]

It strikes me as though you may be using "constitutionalism" as a buzzword, and referring to bodies of the US Constitution (which is only a part of the legal documents that direct the actions of our branches of government) of which you do not fully understand the implication.

It's okay. I think that's how most people are. I can't say the law classes I have taken have been pleasant in any way.